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jarrod on 22 February 2010
trestres said:
Soriku said:
woopah said:

is 2nd party even a proper term? arn't battalion wars, punchout wii, wario land shake it, mario strikers, golden sun eternal darkness all considered first party?

 

 

maybe 2nd party is when nintendo dont own the IP, kinda like fatal frame



Yeah it's a proper term. Second party is when it's made by a third party but published by a first. Even games made by Insomniac for Sony are second party.

I don't think that's what second party means.

1st party are all the studios owned by the HW manufacturer.
3rd party are all the studios that are completely unrelated to the HW manufacturer, as in they can publish and develop games for whatever console they want.

2nd party are studios that aren't owned by the HW manufacturer, but that exclusively develop games for 1 HW manufacturer. Example Insomniac for Sony or Camelot/Skip/Genius Sonority for Nintendo.

Nintendo owns a good chunk of Genius Sonority (19.5%) and so does The Pokemon Company (19.5%).



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Demotruk on 22 February 2010

I would say a third party is a separate independent entity, and a second party is a separate but owned or semi-owned entity. Hence a third party game is one made by an independent company, a first party game is made by the console manufacturer, and a second party game is made by a second party company, one that is a separate company but largely owned by the first party.



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trestres on 22 February 2010
jarrod said:
trestres said:
Soriku said:
woopah said:

is 2nd party even a proper term? arn't battalion wars, punchout wii, wario land shake it, mario strikers, golden sun eternal darkness all considered first party?

 

 

maybe 2nd party is when nintendo dont own the IP, kinda like fatal frame



Yeah it's a proper term. Second party is when it's made by a third party but published by a first. Even games made by Insomniac for Sony are second party.

I don't think that's what second party means.

1st party are all the studios owned by the HW manufacturer.
3rd party are all the studios that are completely unrelated to the HW manufacturer, as in they can publish and develop games for whatever console they want.

2nd party are studios that aren't owned by the HW manufacturer, but that exclusively develop games for 1 HW manufacturer. Example Insomniac for Sony or Camelot/Skip/Genius Sonority for Nintendo.

Nintendo owns a good chunk of Genius Sonority (19.5%) and so does The Pokemon Company (19.5%).

Yet they are not owned completely by Nintendo neither owned as a majority by Nintendo. They are exclusive to Nintendo that's what makes them 2nd party, it's as if they were part of Nintendo since they work exclusively for them, but they are separate companies.

Monolith Soft or Intelligent Systems are 1st party because they are fully owned by Nintendo.



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Ghutto on 22 February 2010

"Only" 80% of Monolith Soft are owned by Nintendo. 20% remaining is owned by Namco.



trestres on 22 February 2010

That's majority of the company.



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jarrod on 23 February 2010
trestres said:
jarrod said:
trestres said:
Soriku said:
woopah said:

is 2nd party even a proper term? arn't battalion wars, punchout wii, wario land shake it, mario strikers, golden sun eternal darkness all considered first party?

 

 

maybe 2nd party is when nintendo dont own the IP, kinda like fatal frame



Yeah it's a proper term. Second party is when it's made by a third party but published by a first. Even games made by Insomniac for Sony are second party.

I don't think that's what second party means.

1st party are all the studios owned by the HW manufacturer.
3rd party are all the studios that are completely unrelated to the HW manufacturer, as in they can publish and develop games for whatever console they want.

2nd party are studios that aren't owned by the HW manufacturer, but that exclusively develop games for 1 HW manufacturer. Example Insomniac for Sony or Camelot/Skip/Genius Sonority for Nintendo.

Nintendo owns a good chunk of Genius Sonority (19.5%) and so does The Pokemon Company (19.5%).

Yet they are not owned completely by Nintendo neither owned as a majority by Nintendo. They are exclusive to Nintendo that's what makes them 2nd party, it's as if they were part of Nintendo since they work exclusively for them, but they are separate companies.

Monolith Soft or Intelligent Systems are 1st party because they are fully owned by Nintendo.

Sure, but Nintendo holds major investment in the company itself (39%).  I wouldn't say you should really lump them in with contracted 3rd parties like Camelot or Skip (or Insomniac).  If anything, I'd say Monolith and Genius Sonority are more similar...



Wyrdness on 23 February 2010

Apparently this game is co-developed by Nintendo, AQ must be helping out with some assets.



woopah on 23 February 2010

the game is published by nintendo so it is first party. just like punchout and battalion wars

monolith is a first party studio

genius sonority is a third party affiliate

Mistwalker is a third party developer

everyone happy now?



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