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I mean, if you read any of the papers on global warming other then try and use them as blank tablets to hold up and prove your point you'd understand why tempeture increase most definitly would have to be statistically significant to fit current climate theory.



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megaman79 said:
sguy78 said:
megaman79 said:

 

Oh and OP - No realistic believer in the science is going to go near this thread. You are simply baiting idiots.  Noone wants to get abused by the triple tag team of CS trouble.

What science? Have you been living under a rock for the past two months? This isn't science. These people have been purposefully been deleting any information that disproves their theories. How can you blindly follow this bull? Hey, if you believe that, how about you give me your bank account number, your date of birth, and allow me to empty your bank account? I promise you'll have a million dollars within a week.

Key word is highlighted. So you now admit you started this thread in order to "convert" believers, right?

This thread should be stopped, but it wont be, and the mods that participate in this thread should be banned for letting it continue, but they won't be.

 

Megaman if you don't want to participate just leave the thread, if you're going to stay then engage on the merits of the discussion.

 



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Kasz216 said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
i believe in Global warning, the evidence:
-the rise in CO2, with more CO2 more temperature.
-the polar ice caps are smaller compare to decades ago
- terrible hurricane seasons.
- the temperature on earth surface and sea has risen( this is what defined global warning)

So you haven't read the anything in this thread, or anything the guy who wrote this thread said.


Since all of those except the hurricane season had pretty much been debunked as sceinfitic.

Actually, even the hurricanes have been called into question.

Granted there was plenty of data on the fact that hurricanes haven't increased in frequency or severity well before this recent run of scandals but it's easier to find links for the recent stuff.



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Sqrl said:
megaman79 said:
sguy78 said:
megaman79 said:

 

Oh and OP - No realistic believer in the science is going to go near this thread. You are simply baiting idiots.  Noone wants to get abused by the triple tag team of CS trouble.

What science? Have you been living under a rock for the past two months? This isn't science. These people have been purposefully been deleting any information that disproves their theories. How can you blindly follow this bull? Hey, if you believe that, how about you give me your bank account number, your date of birth, and allow me to empty your bank account? I promise you'll have a million dollars within a week.

Key word is highlighted. So you now admit you started this thread in order to "convert" believers, right?

This thread should be stopped, but it wont be, and the mods that participate in this thread should be banned for letting it continue, but they won't be.

 

Megaman if you don't want to participate just leave the thread, if you're going to stay then engage on the merits of the discussion.

 

I wasn't the one calling for a liberal witch hunt. Asides, im sure you guys have missed an opposition.



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Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
kowenicki said:
Now everybody (all scientists) accept that we had a very warm period in the middles ages.. vineyards in england.. etc etc. and that was followed by a very cold period round about 1600(little ice age).

So if those extreme climate conditions werent caused by man then why does this one have to be caused by man?

There are various explanations, I think having read all of them that "man made" is the least compelling.

We can neither stop it nor cause it imo..... only learn to live with it.

Are you saying CO2 in the air doesn't affect the climate, or that there is no CO2 in the air?

The CO2 in the air effects the climate... however the effect it has on the climate is very tiny I think appears to be the most llikely case.

With Global Warming being a mostly natural effect.

I will just start off from here in the thread.

Ever hear of the straw that broke the camel's back? Because I think this is might be one of those amazing situations where that ridiculous statement may be true. Just as an example I came up with while I was writing the previous sentence, women have periods, they bleed at regular intervals. Now if you stick an IUD up in her, she bleeds worse. Yes, she will always bleed every month in a cycle, but the IUD also makes it worse, more blood, more pissy, you get the idea.

Basically what I am saying is that humans have caused SOME effect, we don't know what it is and since the planet does it every so often cyclically as well we don't really know what's normal or not. If there is indeed a balance between keeping the earth alive, and a destructive loop, and we don't know how much even a little more emissions effect the weather, and our small amount of added CO2 could compound results, and most mportantly the fact we don't have another planet to move to currently I say that we tread lightly until the risk (only habitableplanet we have could become uninhabitable) becomes smaller not to tread lightly, either by being pretty damn sure about our real effetcs, or by finding another accessible planet. Sorry I feel like that sentence turned out to be too long for its own good.



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megaman79 said:
Sqrl said:
megaman79 said:
sguy78 said:
megaman79 said:

 

Oh and OP - No realistic believer in the science is going to go near this thread. You are simply baiting idiots.  Noone wants to get abused by the triple tag team of CS trouble.

What science? Have you been living under a rock for the past two months? This isn't science. These people have been purposefully been deleting any information that disproves their theories. How can you blindly follow this bull? Hey, if you believe that, how about you give me your bank account number, your date of birth, and allow me to empty your bank account? I promise you'll have a million dollars within a week.

Key word is highlighted. So you now admit you started this thread in order to "convert" believers, right?

This thread should be stopped, but it wont be, and the mods that participate in this thread should be banned for letting it continue, but they won't be.

 

Megaman if you don't want to participate just leave the thread, if you're going to stay then engage on the merits of the discussion.

 

I wasn't the one calling for a liberal witch hunt. Asides, im sure you guys have missed an opposition.

Opposition I welcome, rants about how people aren't qualified to decide for themselves or about how you don't like the thread so you want it locked need to be checked at the door.

As for the behavior of others, if you think someone is violating the forum rules report them.  I haven't had a chance to read every post in this thread yet so you'll need to highlight those issues  you see (while not responding to them in the thread).



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Sqrl said:
Kasz216 said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
i believe in Global warning, the evidence:
-the rise in CO2, with more CO2 more temperature.
-the polar ice caps are smaller compare to decades ago
- terrible hurricane seasons.
- the temperature on earth surface and sea has risen( this is what defined global warning)

So you haven't read the anything in this thread, or anything the guy who wrote this thread said.


Since all of those except the hurricane season had pretty much been debunked as sceinfitic.

Actually, even the hurricanes have been called into question.

Granted there was plenty of data on the fact that hurricanes haven't increased in frequency or severity well before this recent run of scandals but it's easier to find links for the recent stuff.

No climate models predict that hurricanes will increase in frequency with rising temperature, only that they will increase in intensity (which is obvious if you think about it). That is why there is no evidence to suggest an increase in frequency of hurricanes. 

I am pretty sure there is evidence which suggests hurricanes/storms are getting more intense in the mid latitude regions. Give me a minute to find it.



tombi123 said:
Sqrl said:
Kasz216 said:
finalrpgfantasy said:
i believe in Global warning, the evidence:
-the rise in CO2, with more CO2 more temperature.
-the polar ice caps are smaller compare to decades ago
- terrible hurricane seasons.
- the temperature on earth surface and sea has risen( this is what defined global warning)

So you haven't read the anything in this thread, or anything the guy who wrote this thread said.


Since all of those except the hurricane season had pretty much been debunked as sceinfitic.

Actually, even the hurricanes have been called into question.

Granted there was plenty of data on the fact that hurricanes haven't increased in frequency or severity well before this recent run of scandals but it's easier to find links for the recent stuff.

No climate models predict that hurricanes will increase in frequency with rising temperature, only that they will increase in intensity (which is obvious if you think about it). That is why there is no evidence to suggest an increase in frequency of hurricanes. 

I am pretty sure there is evidence which suggests hurricanes/storms are getting more intense in the mid latitude regions. Give me a minute to find it.

Last I knew there was no trend in severity either (which I mentioned, see bolded above).

Landsea, C. W., Nicholls, N., Gray, W. M., and Avila, L. A. (1996) Geophysical Research Letters 23, 1697-1700.

Goldenberg, S. B., Landsea, C. W., Mesta-Nuñez, A. M., and Gray, W. M.  (2001) Science 293, 474-479.



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Sqrl said:
tombi123 said:
Sqrl said:

Actually, even the hurricanes have been called into question.

Granted there was plenty of data on the fact that hurricanes haven't increased in frequency or severity well before this recent run of scandals but it's easier to find links for the recent stuff.

No climate models predict that hurricanes will increase in frequency with rising temperature, only that they will increase in intensity (which is obvious if you think about it). That is why there is no evidence to suggest an increase in frequency of hurricanes. 

I am pretty sure there is evidence which suggests hurricanes/storms are getting more intense in the mid latitude regions. Give me a minute to find it.

Last I knew there was no trend in severity either (which I mentioned, see bolded above).

Landsea, C. W., Nicholls, N., Gray, W. M., and Avila, L. A. (1996) Geophysical Research Letters 23, 1697-1700.

Goldenberg, S. B., Landsea, C. W., Mesta-Nuñez, A. M., and Gray, W. M.  (2001) Science 293, 474-479.

Well models show that if CO2 emissions are doubled the peak wind intensities increase by 5-10%. 

This is because the land surface temperature rises with increased CO2 quicker than the ocean surface temperature (which lags behind by about 30-40 years). This creates a steeper temperature gradient between ocean and land, which will in turn increase the intensity of hurricanes/storms. 

http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/jyin/IPCC_paper_GRL_Jeff_Yin_final.pdf 

(Really long read, there is a short summary at the end). 

The explanation I would give as to why hurricane wind speeds haven't increased from 1950 to 2000 is because we haven't increased CO2 in the atmosphere enough to see a difference yet (doubling CO2 emissions only gives an increase of 5-10%).



vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
kowenicki said:
Now everybody (all scientists) accept that we had a very warm period in the middles ages.. vineyards in england.. etc etc. and that was followed by a very cold period round about 1600(little ice age).

So if those extreme climate conditions werent caused by man then why does this one have to be caused by man?

There are various explanations, I think having read all of them that "man made" is the least compelling.

We can neither stop it nor cause it imo..... only learn to live with it.

Are you saying CO2 in the air doesn't affect the climate, or that there is no CO2 in the air?

The CO2 in the air effects the climate... however the effect it has on the climate is very tiny I think appears to be the most llikely case.

With Global Warming being a mostly natural effect.

I will just start off from here in the thread.

Ever hear of the straw that broke the camel's back? Because I think this is might be one of those amazing situations where that ridiculous statement may be true. Just as an example I came up with while I was writing the previous sentence, women have periods, they bleed at regular intervals. Now if you stick an IUD up in her, she bleeds worse. Yes, she will always bleed every month in a cycle, but the IUD also makes it worse, more blood, more pissy, you get the idea.

Basically what I am saying is that humans have caused SOME effect, we don't know what it is and since the planet does it every so often cyclically as well we don't really know what's normal or not. If there is indeed a balance between keeping the earth alive, and a destructive loop, and we don't know how much even a little more emissions effect the weather, and our small amount of added CO2 could compound results, and most mportantly the fact we don't have another planet to move to currently I say that we tread lightly until the risk (only habitableplanet we have could become uninhabitable) becomes smaller not to tread lightly, either by being pretty damn sure about our real effetcs, or by finding another accessible planet. Sorry I feel like that sentence turned out to be too long for its own good.


I understand what your saying... but there isn't anything that supports this. As such i'm going to have to go with the "null" until actual research is shown otherwise.