Good comment, but I have to disagree. I think that the Hardcore gamer is harder to get then the Casual gamer. The one thing that people like to mention is that casual gamers are uninformed and will pick up anything set in front of them. I feel if that were the case the push that Microsoft tried PRIOR to Natal (E3 08') would have been more effective. Hell over the last 2 E3's both Sony & Microsoft have tried to feature more casual user content. I don't think you can say it's JUST MOTION CONTROLS, that attracted the 67+ million gamers that Nintendo has with the Wii.

...If 3rd parties are having a problem understanding the "Wii Audience" as they like to call us, what makes people think that they will figure it out on the xbox360 & ps3?

Hardcore gamers on the other hand, (they say) are considered more informed, and more judgmental of the produce they buy. As we have seen with several Wii games that have sold well, if it's unique, received quality reviews & word of mouth, it's something that the core gamer will purchase.

...With what Nintendo is try to do this year, from the outside looking in, it appear they are looking to pull the core gamer this year...exclusives will be the key however.

I also read a quote from somewhere that stated that the sales of Nintendo software on it's platform, overwhelms 3rd parties.

Except that you didn't mention anything about staying the same or not. You implied that the latest in the Mario series was subpar and you used metacritics to back your claims...

I used GameRankings actually. And was basing it off review scores, just like the other guy was with an unneeded dig at Final Fantasy. Amazing you didn't pick on his posts though.

And yes i did, in my first post in the thread. "Nintendo on the otherhand, have made mountains of cash, yet keep giving the same franchises".

I also said you should complain to Nintendo if you want something new, not the 3rd parties.

I said ''metacritics'', the tools, not metacritic.com, the website. But that's a mere technicality.

I thought it was futile to pick on his posts as I was mainly talking to you.

If "Nintendo gives the same franchises" equals "Nintendo brought nothing new to NSMBWii" to you, then by all means, I stand corrected and I retract my last post.

Finally, I don't know if there's anything in my post or you generally don't like me, I sense a bitter tone when you talk to me. I assure you, I don't mean to bash you, I respect you and want to have a civil conversation...

If Ninty want the big core stuff on Wii they should make an example to the devs instead of doing the stuff they have done for 15+ years, over and over again. They did it with Wii Sports and Wii Fit, 3rd parties followed suit on those and would do the same with any big "core" title.

How would you be able to tell if i was being bitter over a few words on a screen? And i have no reason to dislike you, as far as i know.

Precisely, Ninty keeps bringing their Marios, Zeldas and stuff over, third parties see that that works, why don't they follow suit by realeasing their Resident Evils, Final Fantasies, etc?

The fanbases for those games are already on the HD consoles. Sure, Res Evil 5 is a nobrainer, but i've said that already in the thread. Another thing is, you guys are asking for new experiences/IP's, just like you would find on PS360. Not ports of games already on PS360.

Resident Evil 6 wont be a Wii exclusive, as a large majority of the fanbase is now on PS360. Same goes for Final Fantasy 15 or whatever.

I have to agree with this but add that either the game's fun factor must be immediately apparent or you must market it in non-conventional ways - IE: Nintendo puts their games directly into the hands of consumers at malls, Ubisoft have an effection viral youtube campaign with Just Dance.      I also think the social component is hugey important.   Let's Dance and NSMBW are successful because of their social play.  If someone made a fun but not violent FPS/TPS with 4 player split-screen on Wii it'd sell a lot better than what we've seen so far.   Something like Mario Paintball.   And have bots for offline play too.  It's not fun for casual players to always get their asses handed to them when they go online.   But if they could play (on or offline) with their friend(s) and some bots that'd be fun.

I think SE had the right idea with FF:CC:CB but it's not social enough - shocking considering it's CC - They did TV advertising but this would probably been better served by getting it into people's hands.

MH3 is one game to watch.   It offers a lot of social playability and Nintendo is marketing it.   If it's marketed right, I think this could be a huge breakthrough for MH in the West.   If not, then it'll become more evidence there's no market on Wii (whether it's true or not).   This is a perfect game for Dad to play with the boys (or even some girls).   That must be marketed effectively otherwise people will assume it's a single player experience with online which is not what people buy a Wii for.

I was thinking that as well. I mean, look at this: "The dev has to be much more clever to make it seem like the player is getting the same thing."

Why shouldn't the developer ALWAYS be more clever? Basically prof00 is implying going the extra mile is just to make up for weak specs, not because that's a way to make a game good.

That isn't just for the Wii. That's always been how you separate the great game makers from the mediocre.