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They say a bogus assaylum seeker is someone who passes through various safe countries in order to get to britain.

For example, lets say someone from Afghanistan. They pass through an estimated 15 safe countries before they get to Britain. The BNP would argue that they could stop in any of those countries but choose Britain because we are more incline to give them a home benefits and various other luxuries.

They do however say that when France Sweden Ireland Belgium and Holland go to war it is our moral duty as neighbours to accept them.

I think what people are saying is in general they have good policies but many are unpractical. Im sure when i was reading the Daily Mail the policies where presented very differently. Hmm must be my imagination i mean...Newspapers never exaggerate....do they?



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Tyrannical said:

Let's see what the BNP web site says about non-immigration issues....

I like what I see.

To be honest most of their policies are just pandering to the masses, they are unworkable and just go from right to left seemingly at random, whilst sneaking in their own "all foreigners out" policy here and there along the way. It screams "ill thought out" to me.

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Reading through their economic policy it just seems to me as though they are confused. They keep talking about a thriving Britain, whilst at the same time talking about reducing imports and kicking out foreign businesses. Here are some sound bites.

"We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end the BNP will restore our economy and land to British ownership."

"The BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports."

And it goes on like that. All the way through they claim to want a "thriving Britain", yet at the same time they are going to selectively stop imports from some countries and kick out foreign businesses? Why not just isolate ourselves from the global economic community while we're at it?

It doesn't work, it panders to the masses, sets unrealistically high goals, blames problems on foreigners here and there and most points seem to conflict with another. And that is exactly what most of their policies are like.

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Pretty much all of their policies follow this suit. Set unrealistically high goals, attempt to pander to the masses, blame immigrants, ignore conflicting policies. They are ill thought out and empty.



FootballFan said:
They say a bogus assaylum seeker is someone who passes through various safe countries in order to get to britain.

For example, lets say someone from Afghanistan. They pass through an estimated 15 safe countries before they get to Britain. The BNP would argue that they could stop in any of those countries but choose Britain because we are more incline to give them a home benefits and various other luxuries.

They do however say that when France Sweden Ireland Belgium and Holland go to war it is our moral duty as neighbours to accept them.

I think what people are saying is in general they have good policies but many are unpractical. Im sure when i was reading the Daily Mail the policies where presented very differently. Hmm must be my imagination i mean...Newspapers never exaggerate....do they?

I can see the point others make about asylum seekers regarding passage through various countries. If you are genuinely seeking asylum you should claim it in the first 'safe' country you come across. However, that perhaps pases unfair responsabilities on certain countries bordering a problem nation. The EU proposed a system where asylum seekers would be processed centrally in Europe and would then be sent to which ever EU country needed them or could best cope. Unfortunately that was in the rejected EU constitution which everyone hated despite what I expect to be a large majority never even bothering to read it.

I'm not so sure I would agree that in general they have good policies. They do have a few I would agree with but most of them are ill thought out and they have many others which I would strongly disagree as well as a few which contridict each other. There's no question that if they ever did get into power (which they won't) they would be a complete disaster for the country. I also find it funny how some conservatives can support them given how liberal most of their (non-immigration) policies are.



I just copied the BNP's bulleted statements. So before you disagree about anything that you thinks sounds good, you might have to click the link and read the whole view on it.

data from STTNG: Reading through their economic policy it just seems to me as though they are confused. They keep talking about a thriving Britain, whilst at the same time talking about reducing imports and kicking out foreign businesses. Here are some sound bites.

I remember a time when Britain ruled the world. It did so by the strength and genius of it's own people.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

highwaystar101 said:
Tyrannical said:
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To be honest most of their policies are just pandering to the masses, they are unworkable and just go from right to left seemingly at random, whilst sneaking in their own "all foreigners out" policy here and there along the way. It screams "ill thought out" to me.

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Pretty much all of their policies follow this suit. Set unrealistically high goals, attempt to pander to the masses, blame immigrants, ignore conflicting policies. They are ill thought out and empty.

Yep, this. They aren't even consistent. They are just a racist party trying to look politically mainstream so they can get some votes.

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@Tyrannical

No, it did so because we owned most of the world's production and administered most of the world's economically active people.

Now all we have, as a productive industry that exports things people want, is financial services. The rest of our economy is unproductive consumerism. If our country was actually valued on what we produce (including services) vs. what we consume we would be nothing.

Whereas America has a lot of manufacturing and does actual R&D.




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Tyrannical said:

I just copied the BNP's bulleted statements. So before you disagree about anything that you thinks sounds good, you might have to click the link and read the whole view on it.

data from STTNG: Reading through their economic policy it just seems to me as though they are confused. They keep talking about a thriving Britain, whilst at the same time talking about reducing imports and kicking out foreign businesses. Here are some sound bites.

I remember a time when Britain ruled the world. It did so by the strength and genius of it's own people.

I'm not Data, I am a real person here.

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As for your comment. We also did it by conquering a quarter of the world and using foreign populations to serve us .



We are pretty pitiful as a race we argue who is allowed to live in a country productive or counter-productive it really shows we can't utimately find or won't pursuit alturistic actions these days.

This goes for every country, our people is the human race sure with have difference but really we should look out for eachother no matter what. What would of happened if Pangaea wasn't broken, would we still have the same problem



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

tombi123 said:
Carl2291 said:
tombi123 said:
Carl2291 said:
Kamal said:
BNP is always going to have extreme ideals no matter the leader, it doesn't matter how well they masquarade it.

Carl you would seriously vote for BNP........................ Wow just wow.

If the choice was between just BNP and Labour? Yep.

Why? 

Because i hate Labour, and want change? Couple of things off the top of my head (that i know of) though that would be a benefit for me and other people in the UK.

Troops wouldn't be in Afghanistan/Iraq.

Death sentence possible for peado's, murderers and terrorists.

Infact, i'm gonna go look up all of the policies they have...

So you wan't the BNP in power so they can kill people? Don't you think that a massively bigoted party like the BNP would take advantage of the death sentence?

Where did i say i want them in power? All i said was i would rather have them than Labour.

And how would they take advantage of it?



                            

BNP is popular because Labour have been so counterproductive in last few years which largely frustatrated society. Griffin and his puppets are just very good at manipulating people that were left alienated by politics. But voting for them even as a protest vote is silly, they have no real policies, and wont do anything constructive.

But British politics needs to answer immigrant problem in the UK to deal with rising BNP popularity and frustration in the society. (And this comes from an immigrant living in the UK)



highwaystar101 said:

@Carl: You've claimed you would vote for the BNP over Labour because they can run the country better. Well I think that's just plain wrong, I'm afraid. Labour are far more qualified to run the country than the BNP. Labour have well thought out policies for all aspects of running the country (Like it or not, they do). Have you ever read the BNP's policies, they're laughable because they are so ill thought out.

The reason? The BNP are a one trick pony, all they care about is immigration. If they came to power, that would be their primary concern. It's the only thing they have put any thought into. (And to be honest, whilst I agree that immigration is a problem in Britain, I think the BNP's approach is not sensible at all, it would bankrupt us, but that's just my personal opinion.)

All of the BNP's policies are neglected because they are so focused on one. In fact the BNP are so focused on immigration that it actually forms the basis of many of their other policies where it shouldn't; such as healthcare, where they claim that the NHS staff is populated by immigrants and that the immigrant workers should be kicked out of the NHS (which is extremely counter productive).

Labour on the other hand are not a one trick pony, they put as much thought and effort into each of their policies as the BNP put into their immigration policy. Are they perfect? No, not by a long shot. But they would run the country considerably better than the BNP ever could.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The main problem with the BNP is not that they are racist, but that they are incompetent in just about every area.

Of course they are, they have the experience and are a much, much bigger party. Although they haven't done a good job at all IMO...

I read a few of the stuff last night before i went to bed, a few of them have been posted here. And i have to say, like Tyrannical, i liked quite a bit of what i saw. Would it work? You say it wouldn't... But IMO it can't be much worse than it is now.