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Is EDGE Magasine

Biased towards the XBOX 130 46.26%
 
Biased towards the PS3 35 12.46%
 
Biased towards the Wii 12 4.27%
 
A fair and honest reviewer 104 37.01%
 
Total:281

rocketpig said:
mario64 said:
Just to give you the proof Edge is in fact 360 biased, here are the numbers :

Game / Edge rating / Meta (12/02/10) / Difference between Edge and Meta

Main 360 console exclusives :

Fable 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Forza 2 / 90 / 90 / 0
Forza 3 / 90 / 92 / -2
Gears of War / 80 / 94 / -14
Gears of War 2 / 90 / 93 / -3
Halo 3 / 100 / 94 / +6
Halo 3 ODST / 90 / 83 / +7
Mass Effect / 70 / 91 / -21
Mass Effect 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Left 4 Dead / 90 / 89 / +1
Left 4 Dead 2 / 90 / 89 / +1

Total (11 games) : -30 points
Average -2.73 / game

Main PS3 exclusives :

MGS4 / 80 / 94 / -14
Ratchet ToD / 80 / 89 / -9
Ratchet ACiT / 70 / 87 / -17
Resistance / 70 / 86 / -16
Resistance 2 / 60 / 87 / -27
Killzone 2 / 70 / 91 / -21
Valkyria Chr. / 70 / 86 / -16
Disgaea 3 / 80 / 78 / +2
Heavy Rain / 70 / 89 / -19
Uncharted / 80 / 88 / -8
Uncharted 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Demon's Souls / 90 / 89 / +1
LittleBigPlanet / 100 / 95 / +5
Wipeout HD / 80 / 87 / -7
Flower / 70 / 87 / -17
Infamous / 70 / 85 / -15

Total (16 games) : -184 points !!!
Average -11.5 / game

So it's around 10 points difference in AVERAGE between a PS3 exclusive and a PC/360 console exclusive, which is huge and mathematically (statistically) impossible unless they're 360 biased or being 360 fanboys.

The other explanation would be they favor the shooter / FPS genre dominating on 360 (6 on 11 games reviewed), but then again, games like Resistance, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 wouldn't have been rated so much under their Meta then, so this explanation is wrong.

Conclusion : Edge is strongly 360 biased.

 

 

Why don't you try adding some of the 360 exclusives that Edge absolutely massacred?

Blue Dragon - 79 Metacritic - 60 Edge : -19
Lost Odyssey - 78 Metacritic - 70 Edge : -8
Star Ocean - 72 Metacritic - 50 Edge : -22
Halo Wars - 82 Metacritic - 70 Edge : -12
Perfect Dark - 82 Metacritic - 70 Edge: -12
Banjo Kazooie - 79 Metacritic - 70 Edge : -9

The point is that if you look across genres instead of playing the bias card against a platform, you will see that Edge doesn't like certain GENRES OF GAMES no matter what platform they are on.

Good point, I'll update Mario64s list:


Game / Edge rating / Meta (12/02/10) / Difference between Edge and Meta

Main 360 console exclusives :


Blue Dragon 60/ 79 / -19
Crackdown 80 / 83 / -3
Fable 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Forza 2 / 90 / 90 / 0
Forza 3 / 90 / 92 / -2
Gears of War / 80 / 94 / -14
Gears of War 2 / 90 / 93 / -3
GTA episodes 90 / 90 / 0
Halo Wars 70 / 82 / -12
Halo 3 / 100 / 94 / +6
Halo 3 ODST / 90 / 83 / +7
Mass Effect / 70 / 91 / -21
Mass Effect 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Left 4 Dead / 90 / 89 / +1
Left 4 Dead 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Lost odyssey 70 / 78 / -8
Star Ocean 50 / 72 / -22
Perfect Dark 70 / 82 / -12
Banjo Kazooie 70 / 79 / -9


Total (19 games) : -115 points
Average -6.05 / game

Main PS3 exclusives :

Buzz 70 / 80 / -10
GT5 prologue 70 / 80 -10
MAG / 60 / 76 -16
MGS4 / 80 / 94 / -14
Ratchet ToD / 80 / 89 / -9
Ratchet ACiT / 70 / 87 / -17
Resistance / 70 / 86 / -16
Resistance 2 / 60 / 87 / -27
Killzone 2 / 70 / 91 / -21
Valkyria Chr. / 70 / 86 / -16
Disgaea 3 / 80 / 78 / +2
Heavy Rain / 70 / 89 / -19
Uncharted / 80 / 88 / -8
Uncharted 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Demon's Souls / 90 / 89 / +1
LittleBigPlanet / 100 / 95 / +5
Wipeout HD / 80 / 87 / -7
Flower / 70 / 87 / -17
Infamous / 70 / 85 / -15

Total (19 games) : -220 points !!!
Average -11.57 / game

 

STILL a big difference!



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It's still quite a difference but it's coming into perspective. The difference lies in a few PS3 games that Edge seemed to really, really hate. When you're dealing with less than 20 games, that can make a huge difference.

To me, the most surprising thing on that list is the Resistance games and Killzone. While I agree that they're rather unimpressive compared to some other shooters, when compared to the stupid-high score given to Halo 3 and the good score for ODST (meh, quite a mediocre game by Bungie standards), you'd think they would have fared a little better. That part makes no sense and I'd like to see who wrote each review.

On the other hand, Edge only gave Gears an 80. I don't think this is really a bias but maybe one or two reviewers are far more harsh on game ratings than their colleagues. When Gears gets an 80 from the same magazine that gives ODST a 90, it has to boil down to individual reviewers. I don't know of a single person who would agree with those scores when compared to one another.




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I would have said "fair" until the Heavy Rain review came out.



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heedstone said:

rocketpig said:
mario64 said:
Just to give you the proof Edge is in fact 360 biased, here are the numbers :

Game / Edge rating / Meta (12/02/10) / Difference between Edge and Meta

Main 360 console exclusives :

Fable 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Forza 2 / 90 / 90 / 0
Forza 3 / 90 / 92 / -2
Gears of War / 80 / 94 / -14
Gears of War 2 / 90 / 93 / -3
Halo 3 / 100 / 94 / +6
Halo 3 ODST / 90 / 83 / +7
Mass Effect / 70 / 91 / -21
Mass Effect 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Left 4 Dead / 90 / 89 / +1
Left 4 Dead 2 / 90 / 89 / +1

Total (11 games) : -30 points
Average -2.73 / game

Main PS3 exclusives :

MGS4 / 80 / 94 / -14
Ratchet ToD / 80 / 89 / -9
Ratchet ACiT / 70 / 87 / -17
Resistance / 70 / 86 / -16
Resistance 2 / 60 / 87 / -27
Killzone 2 / 70 / 91 / -21
Valkyria Chr. / 70 / 86 / -16
Disgaea 3 / 80 / 78 / +2
Heavy Rain / 70 / 89 / -19
Uncharted / 80 / 88 / -8
Uncharted 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Demon's Souls / 90 / 89 / +1
LittleBigPlanet / 100 / 95 / +5
Wipeout HD / 80 / 87 / -7
Flower / 70 / 87 / -17
Infamous / 70 / 85 / -15

Total (16 games) : -184 points !!!
Average -11.5 / game

So it's around 10 points difference in AVERAGE between a PS3 exclusive and a PC/360 console exclusive, which is huge and mathematically (statistically) impossible unless they're 360 biased or being 360 fanboys.

The other explanation would be they favor the shooter / FPS genre dominating on 360 (6 on 11 games reviewed), but then again, games like Resistance, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 wouldn't have been rated so much under their Meta then, so this explanation is wrong.

Conclusion : Edge is strongly 360 biased.

 

 

Why don't you try adding some of the 360 exclusives that Edge absolutely massacred?

Blue Dragon - 79 Metacritic - 60 Edge : -19
Lost Odyssey - 78 Metacritic - 70 Edge : -8
Star Ocean - 72 Metacritic - 50 Edge : -22
Halo Wars - 82 Metacritic - 70 Edge : -12
Perfect Dark - 82 Metacritic - 70 Edge: -12
Banjo Kazooie - 79 Metacritic - 70 Edge : -9

The point is that if you look across genres instead of playing the bias card against a platform, you will see that Edge doesn't like certain GENRES OF GAMES no matter what platform they are on.

Good point, I'll update Mario64s list:


Game / Edge rating / Meta (12/02/10) / Difference between Edge and Meta

Main 360 console exclusives :


Blue Dragon 60/ 79 / -19
Crackdown 80 / 83 / -3
Fable 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Forza 2 / 90 / 90 / 0
Forza 3 / 90 / 92 / -2
Gears of War / 80 / 94 / -14
Gears of War 2 / 90 / 93 / -3
GTA episodes 90 / 90 / 0
Halo Wars 70 / 82 / -12
Halo 3 / 100 / 94 / +6
Halo 3 ODST / 90 / 83 / +7
Mass Effect / 70 / 91 / -21
Mass Effect 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Left 4 Dead / 90 / 89 / +1
Left 4 Dead 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Lost odyssey 70 / 78 / -8
Star Ocean 50 / 72 / -22
Perfect Dark 70 / 82 / -12
Banjo Kazooie 70 / 79 / -9


Total (19 games) : -115 points
Average -6.05 / game

Main PS3 exclusives :

Buzz 70 / 80 / -10
GT5 prologue 70 / 80 -10
MAG / 60 / 76 -16
MGS4 / 80 / 94 / -14
Ratchet ToD / 80 / 89 / -9
Ratchet ACiT / 70 / 87 / -17
Resistance / 70 / 86 / -16
Resistance 2 / 60 / 87 / -27
Killzone 2 / 70 / 91 / -21
Valkyria Chr. / 70 / 86 / -16
Disgaea 3 / 80 / 78 / +2
Heavy Rain / 70 / 89 / -19
Uncharted / 80 / 88 / -8
Uncharted 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Demon's Souls / 90 / 89 / +1
LittleBigPlanet / 100 / 95 / +5
Wipeout HD / 80 / 87 / -7
Flower / 70 / 87 / -17
Infamous / 70 / 85 / -15

Total (19 games) : -220 points !!!
Average -11.57 / game

 

STILL a big difference!

Numbers don't lie, rocketpig....



rocketpig said:

It's still quite a difference but it's coming into perspective. The difference lies in a few PS3 games that Edge seemed to really, really hate. When you're dealing with less than 20 games, that can make a huge difference.

To me, the most surprising thing on that list is the Resistance games and Killzone. While I agree that they're rather unimpressive compared to some other shooters, when compared to the stupid-high score given to Halo 3 and the good score for ODST (meh, quite a mediocre game by Bungie standards), you'd think they would have fared a little better. That part makes no sense and I'd like to see who wrote each review.

On the other hand, Edge only gave Gears an 80. I don't think this is really a bias but maybe one or two reviewers are far more harsh on game ratings than their colleagues. When Gears gets an 80 from the same magazine that gives ODST a 90, it has to boil down to individual reviewers. I don't know of a single person who would agree with those scores when compared to one another.

 

It's only within the past year or so that Edge has gone noticably pro XBox.  What bugs me It's the system sellers that EDGE seems to mark down (Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, MGS4, Infamous, NSMBW, Mario Kart, etc.), while it consistently gives Xbox system sellers high marks.



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room414 said:
dsister44 said:
room414 said:
dsister44 said:
room414 said:

after looking at that chart that mario64 posted how can anybody believe they aren't biased?

are you kidding me?

pull your heads outta the sand

Or maybe they just didn't like them as much as other reviewers.

if they consistantly rate ps3 games lower than 360 games in relation to all the other reviewers that is bias my friend there's no way around it

Not necessarily. Just because they like 360 games better doesn't mean they are biased towards it. They are not in the least giving unreasonable scores to PS3 games.  

it does if they're consistantly at odds with all the other reviewers

I already told you a primary reason is the failing of Metacritic but you chose to ignore that given my post reasoning destroyed your agenda of hate against Edge.  They're consistantly at odds with SOME of the other reviewers, perhaps the true issue is too many reviewers on Metacritic OVERRATING PS3 games.  My reasoning makes about as much sense in conclusion as yours and Mario64's, who might I add isn't the wisest person to join up in debate with if you want to pretend you're unbiased.



None of the above. They are biased towards British developers though.



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slowmo said:
room414 said:
dsister44 said:
room414 said:
dsister44 said:
room414 said:

after looking at that chart that mario64 posted how can anybody believe they aren't biased?

are you kidding me?

pull your heads outta the sand

Or maybe they just didn't like them as much as other reviewers.

if they consistantly rate ps3 games lower than 360 games in relation to all the other reviewers that is bias my friend there's no way around it

Not necessarily. Just because they like 360 games better doesn't mean they are biased towards it. They are not in the least giving unreasonable scores to PS3 games.  

it does if they're consistantly at odds with all the other reviewers

I already told you a primary reason is the failing of Metacritic but you chose to ignore that given my post reasoning destroyed your agenda of hate against Edge.  They're consistantly at odds with SOME of the other reviewers, perhaps the true issue is too many reviewers on Metacritic OVERRATING PS3 games.  My reasoning makes about as much sense in conclusion as yours and Mario64's, who might I add isn't the wisest person to join up in debate with if you want to pretend you're unbiased.

so it's not the one reviewer skewed one way but the many who are skewed the other way...lol

face the facts buddy

when halo odst and uncharted 2 released within a short time of each other and edge gave them both 9's that told me all i needed to know



                                
room414 said:
slowmo said:
room414 said:
dsister44 said:
room414 said:
dsister44 said:
room414 said:

after looking at that chart that mario64 posted how can anybody believe they aren't biased?

are you kidding me?

pull your heads outta the sand

Or maybe they just didn't like them as much as other reviewers.

if they consistantly rate ps3 games lower than 360 games in relation to all the other reviewers that is bias my friend there's no way around it

Not necessarily. Just because they like 360 games better doesn't mean they are biased towards it. They are not in the least giving unreasonable scores to PS3 games.  

it does if they're consistantly at odds with all the other reviewers

I already told you a primary reason is the failing of Metacritic but you chose to ignore that given my post reasoning destroyed your agenda of hate against Edge.  They're consistantly at odds with SOME of the other reviewers, perhaps the true issue is too many reviewers on Metacritic OVERRATING PS3 games.  My reasoning makes about as much sense in conclusion as yours and Mario64's, who might I add isn't the wisest person to join up in debate with if you want to pretend you're unbiased.

so it's not the one reviewer skewed one way but the many who are skewed the other way...lol

face the facts buddy

when halo odst and uncharted 2 released within a short time of each other and edge gave them both 9's that told me all i needed to know

 

No, how about you face the facts and admit that Metacritic is flawed.  The simple fact that they convert scores to a 100 scale from other forms is bad enough without taking into account they accept reviews from blatant fanboy sites with spoiler scores.  There is then the fact that on the Sony side they have far more single format reviewers due to the very nature of them having a traditionally bigger fanbase, which very rarely if ever scores a game below the Metacritic average.  All in all it tells me that Metacritic numbers are a complete pile of cack when it comes to any statistical form of judgement by any sane individual.  Finally I would also add that Metacritic will accept a multiformat review for a game like Bayonetta done on the 360 and give that score to the PS3 too when in actual fact at that time the PS3 version didn't deserve that score due to it being inferior.

I have no issue with giving ODST and Uncharted 2 both 9's, one is a excellent single player experience with little replay value due to the limited mulitplayer.  The other is a limited single player campaign (albeit it excellent in coop too) with an amazing online experience.  There is a case that depending on your opinion and what you wanted from a game the scores for both is fine, but then that reasonable viewpoint is beyhond someone with your twisted agenda I guess.