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American Chemical Society members revolting against their editor for pro AGW views

30 07 2009

Scientists seek to remove climate fear promoting editor and ‘trade him to New York Times or Washington Post’

An outpouring of skeptical scientists who are members of the American Chemical Society (ACS) are revolting against the group’s editor-in-chief — with some demanding he be removed — after an editorial appeared claiming “the science of anthropogenic climate change is becoming increasingly well established.”

The editorial claimed the “consensus” view was growing “increasingly difficult to challenge, despite the efforts of diehard climate-change deniers.” The editor now admits he is “startled” by the negative reaction from the group’s scientific members. The American Chemical Society bills itself as the “world’s largest scientific society.”

The June 22, 2009 editorial in Chemical and Engineering News by editor in chief Rudy Baum, is facing widespread blowback and condemnation from American Chemical Society member scientists. Baum concluded his editorial by stating that “deniers” are attempting to “derail meaningful efforts to respond to global climate change.”

Dozens of letters from ACS members were published on July 27, 2009 castigating Baum, with some scientists calling for his replacement as editor-in-chief.

The editorial was met with a swift, passionate and scientific rebuke from Baum’s colleagues. Virtually all of the letters published on July 27 in castigated Baum’s climate science views. Scientists rebuked Baum’s use of the word “deniers” because of the terms “association with Holocaust deniers.” In addition, the scientists called Baum’s editorial: “disgusting”; “a disgrace”; “filled with misinformation”; “unworthy of a scientific periodical” and “pap.”

One outraged ACS member wrote to Baum: “When all is said and done, and you and your kind are proven wrong (again), you will have moved on to be an unthinking urn for another rat pleading catastrophe. You will be removed. I promise.”

Baum ’startled’ by scientists reaction.

Baum wrote on July 27, that he was “startled” and “surprised” by the “contempt” and “vehemence” of the ACS scientists to his view of the global warming “consensus.”

“Some of the letters I received are not fit to print. Many of the letters we have printed are, I think it is fair to say, outraged by my position on global warming,” Baum wrote.

Selected Excerpts of Skeptical Scientists:

“I think it’s time to find a new editor,” ACS member Thomas E. D’Ambra wrote.

Geochemist R. Everett Langford wrote: “I am appalled at the condescending attitude of Rudy Baum, Al Gore, President Barack Obama, et al., who essentially tell us that there is no need for further research—that the matter is solved.”

ACS scientist Dennis Malpass wrote: “Your editorial was a disgrace. It was filled with misinformation, half-truths, and ad hominem attacks on those who dare disagree with you. Shameful!”

ACS member scientist Dr. Howard Hayden, a Physics Professor Emeritus from the University of Connecticut: “Baum’s remarks are particularly disquieting because of his hostility toward skepticism, which is part of every scientist’s soul. Let’s cut to the chase with some questions for Baum: Which of the 20-odd major climate models has settled the science, such that all of the rest are now discarded? [...] Do you refer to ‘climate change’ instead of ‘global warming’ because the claim of anthropogenic global warming has become increasingly contrary to fact?”

Edward H. Gleason wrote: “Baum’s attempt to close out debate goes against all my scientific training, and to hear this from my ACS is certainly alarming to me…his use of ‘climate-change deniers’ to pillory scientists who do not believe climate change is a crisis is disingenuous and unscientific.”

Atmospheric Chemist Roger L. Tanner: “I have very little in common with the philosophy of the Heartland Institute and other ‘free-market fanatics,’ and I consider myself a progressive Democrat. Nevertheless, we scientists should know better than to propound scientific truth by consensus and to excoriate skeptics with purple prose.”

William Tolley: “I take great offense that Baum would use Chemical and Engineering News, for which I pay dearly each year in membership dues, to purvey his personal views and so glibly ignore contrary information and scold those of us who honestly find these views to be a hoax.”

William E. Keller wrote: “However bitter you (Baum) personally may feel about CCDs (climate change deniers), it is not your place as editor to accuse them—falsely—of nonscientific behavior by using insultingly inappropriate language. [...] The growing body of scientists, whom you abuse as sowing doubt, making up statistics, and claiming to be ignored by the media, are, in the main, highly competent professionals, experts in their fields, completely honorable, and highly versed in the scientific method—characteristics that apparently do not apply to you.”

ACS member Wallace Embry: “I would like to see the American Chemical Society Board ‘cap’ Baum’s political pen and ‘trade’ him to either the New York Times or Washington Post.” [To read the more reactions from scientists to Baum's editorial go here and see below.]

Physicist Dr. Lubos Motl, who publishes the Reference Frame website, weighed in on the controversy as well, calling Baum’s editorial an “alarmist screed.”

“Now, the chemists are thinking about replacing this editor who has hijacked the ACS bulletin to promote his idiosyncratic political views,” Motl wrote on July 27, 2009.

Baum cites discredited Obama Administration Climate Report

To “prove” his assertion that the science was “becoming increasingly well established,” Baum cited the Obama Administration’s U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) study as evidence that the science was settled. [Climate Depot Editor's Note: Baum's grasp of the latest “science” is embarrassing. For Baum to cite the June 2009 Obama Administration report as “evidence” that science is growing stronger exposes him as having very poor research skills. See this comprehensive report on scientists rebuking that report. See: 'Scaremongering': Scientists Pan Obama Climate Report: 'This is not a work of science but an embarrassing episode for the authors and NOAA'...'Misrepresents the science' - July 8, 2009 )

Baum also touted the Congressional climate bill as “legislation with real teeth to control the emission of greenhouse gases.” [Climate Depot Editor's Note: This is truly laughable that an editor-in-chief at the American Chemical Society could say the climate bill has “real teeth.” This statement should be retracted in full for lack of evidence. The Congressional climate bill has outraged environmental groups for failing to impact global temperatures and failing to even reduce emissions! See: Climate Depot Editorial: Climate bill offers (costly) non-solutions to problems that don't even exist - No detectable climate impact: 'If we actually faced a man-made 'climate crisis', we would all be doomed' June 20, 2009 ]

The American Chemical Society’s scientific revolt is the latest in a series of recent eruptions against the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming.

On May 1 2009, the American Physical Society (APS) Council decided to review its current climate statement via a high-level subcommittee of respected senior scientists. The decision was prompted after a group of 54 prominent physicists petitioned the APS revise its global warming position. The 54 physicists wrote to APS governing board: “Measured or reconstructed temperature records indicate that 20th – 21st century changes are neither exceptional nor persistent, and the historical and geological records show many periods warmer than today.”

The petition signed by the prominent physicists, led by Princeton University’s Dr. Will Happer, who has conducted 200 peer-reviewed scientific studies. The peer-reviewed journal Nature published a July 22, 2009 letter by the physicists persuading the APS to review its statement. In 2008, an American Physical Society editor conceded that a “considerable presence” of scientific skeptics exists.

In addition, in April 2009, the Polish National Academy of Science reportedly “published a document that expresses skepticism over the concept of man-made global warming.” An abundance of new peer-reviewed scientific studies continue to be published challenging the UN IPCC climate views. (See: Climate Fears RIP…for 30 years!? – Global Warming could stop ‘for up to 30 years! Warming ‘On Hold?…’Could go into hiding for decades,’ peer-reviewed study finds – Discovery.com – March 2, 2009 & Peer-Reviewed Study Rocks Climate Debate! ‘Nature not man responsible for recent global warming…little or none of late 20th century warming and cooling can be attributed to humans’ – July 23, 2009 )

A March 2009 a 255-page U. S. Senate Report detailed “More Than 700 International Scientists Dissenting Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims.” 2009’s continued lack of warming, further frustrated the promoters of man-made climate fears. See: Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks! Global temperatures ‘have plunged .74°F since Gore released An Inconvenient Truth’ – July 5, 2009

In addition, the following developments further in 2008 challenged the “consensus” of global warming. India Issued a report challenging global warming fears; a canvass of more than 51,000 Canadian scientists revealed 68% disagree that global warming science is “settled”; A Japan Geoscience Union symposium survey in 2008 reportedly “showed 90 per cent of the participants do not believe the IPCC report.” Scientific meetings are now being dominated by a growing number of skeptical scientists. The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists’ equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. [See: Skeptical scientists overwhelm conference: '2/3 of presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC' & see full reports here & here - Also see: UN IPCC's William Schlesinger admits in 2009 that only 20% of IPCC scientists deal with climate ]

Story - Sorry the links in the story didn't copy in for some reason.

 It's been pretty obvious for about 2 years now that AGW and its evolution "Climate Change" have been on the decline, but this is the latest major scienctific organization to show just how unsettled the debate is amongst their members. 

This last paragraph in particular has a number of examples showing just how strong this viewpoint has become within the scientific community in recent years, and it continues to grow rapidly.

But what does this mean??? Nothing. <- Highlight this

Even if every last scientist believed AGW/"Climate Change" to be false it doesn't make it so.  We are at this point in the debate because people baught into the hype of "the consensus is clear" and "there is no debate amongst scientist".  The act of a scientist beleiving in something doesn't grant it truth - this fact hasn't changed.  What this story really means is that people need to continue looking at this issue with keen skepticism and from all angles.

PS - What I really appreciated about this story compared with typical mainstream news articles is that rather than quoting "a person at the event" they are associating an individual and their name/credentials to the majority of the quotes they give.



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Just for people's information, this is a chemistry and engineering society, and those people make a lot of money polluting and extracting resources.

These people are bias, and asking them their opinion on global warming would be like asking an author who makes money selling global warming books about his view on global warming.



ManusJustus said:
Just for people's information, this is a chemistry and engineering society, and those people make a lot of money polluting and extracting resources.

These people are bias, and asking them their opinion on global warming would be like asking an author who makes money selling global warming books about his view on global warming.

This is the definition of generic ad hominem. Do you have nothing better to do than insult and impune the integrity of people with generic and non-specific claims?

Can you give even one specific example regarding any of these scientist?

 

And for the record it is a Society with members who have expertise in physics, climatology, geophysics, etc...  I'd also point out that the publication has been historically a big supporter of AGW and then "climate change".  Were they trustworthy before and only now have they decided to be greedy liars?

edit: I'd also add that your definition of bias includes all scienstis who put forth pro-AGW reasearch and views as well.  Most scientist recieve their research grants from parties with interests in the field.  The default assumption is that a scientist has integrity and provides legitimate results until they have violated that trust.  This is why you have reproducible experiments as part of the scientific method.



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*Sigh* I think this humorous picture will explain things better than me...

Basically climate change is real, but what you read in the papers is distorted.



highwaystar101 said:

*Sigh* I think this humorous picture will explain things better than me...

-snip-

Basically climate change is real, but what you read in the papers is distorted.

That is sort of the farce though, isn't it?

Who would deny that the climate changes? 

PS - That picture has really been making the rounds lately.



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Sqrl said:
highwaystar101 said:

*Sigh* I think this humorous picture will explain things better than me...

-snip-

Basically climate change is real, but what you read in the papers is distorted.

That is sort of the farce though, isn't it?

Who would deny that the climate changes?

PS - That picture has really been making the rounds lately.

My girlfriends dad is a Climatologist (or whatever, he calls himself something else). And he basically says this is how it is. He did his PhD on climate change and he has been a researcher for nearly 30 years. He says that climate change is a very real thing and humans areone of the main causes, but the media and the PR guys fabricate a more "exciting" truth (Read: healines saying we'll all be dead in 20 years, simply not true).

And yes I agree that pic has been making rounds, but that is because it's true and that's why it's so funny.



I heard crops are growing again on Greenland due to global warming. Awesome.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html



 

 

 

 

 

highwaystar101 said:

*Sigh* I think this humorous picture will explain things better than me...

Basically climate change is real, but what you read in the papers is distorted.

Haha, v funny and true



 

highwaystar101 said:
Sqrl said:
highwaystar101 said:

*Sigh* I think this humorous picture will explain things better than me...

-snip-

Basically climate change is real, but what you read in the papers is distorted.

That is sort of the farce though, isn't it?

Who would deny that the climate changes?

PS - That picture has really been making the rounds lately.

My girlfriends dad is a Climatologist (or whatever, he calls himself something else). And he basically says this is how it is. He did his PhD on climate change and he has been a researcher for nearly 30 years. He says that climate change is a very real thing and humans are the cause, but the media and the PR guys fabricate a more "exciting" truth (Read: healines saying we'll all be dead in 20 years, simply not true).

And yes I agree that pic has been making rounds, but that is because it's true and that's why it's so funny.

 

I wasn't debating the validity of the pic actually, in fact I agree with it quite a bit =P

As for your girlfriend's dad...do you mean to say that because he says it is so...it is so?  Or ...was there another point?  I don't mean to be abrassive here but I mean there are tons of scientists from every field with different views on the issue, why does his merit special attention? Does he have new information? 

I'm a reasonable person with extensive knowledge of the subject and I read from both pro- and anti- views on a regular basis (~5-10 hours a week damn near religiously) and I have yet to come acrossed anything that could concisely dismiss either side completely. I would doubt her father has such an argument to make or I'd probably know his name.

In short, I'll be persuaded when someone explains the numerous contradictions and flaws in their proposed theories and models.  Not simply because someone claims to have already found the answer. This applies both ways, because as I said in the OP, this revelation of more scientists who are outraged by the fearmongering doesn't prove or disprove anything, except that there is no consensus among scientist.  But as any scientist worth his salt will tell you the default position is that of the skeptic.



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kowenicki said:
global warming... bah!

climate change... well... obviously, hasnt it always been thus?

anything to do with humans? nope.

So wait, humans don't cause ANY climate change? Awesome, so humans releasing sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere doesn't cause acid rain? Humans have no responsibility over urban heat bubbles? This is great new.

Humans have affected the change in climates in recent times, whether you believe in 'global warming' or not.