Forums - Sales Discussion - The Official December NPD 2008 Thread

Chrizum said:
So this basically means that

1) Wii didn't outsell this holiday season in the US, OR
2) Nintendo didn't up the production as much as they said they would

Either way it's really disappointing.

Anecdotal, I know, but near me it was at least difficult to find, in that the two places I go that would have it didn't while I was there.  I wasn't actively checkin, though, so that's a very limited sample size.



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Here's another number from IGN, Wii Music sold 865k in 2008! Million selling in 2009 confirmed!



Allow MrStickball to spin the Wii being off by 1m, and the fact that it may indeed be accurate...It *is* NPD, BTW.

1) VGC undertracked the Wii by almost ~1m last month, and then adjusted the numbers, and most likely used the new methodology. We've seen, very often, that adjustments by VGC almost never work - they end up being right in the end. Although the numbers should be adjusted down, let's remember that it's not because VGC is bad, just that the market is wacky.

2) As to the probability that such a blistering November could be followed by a 'poor' Christmas showing (in terms of a decrease of weekly sales): We hear each week how the American economy is in the tank, and I'd argue that those that are budget conscious - the average mainstream family - is probably cutting back. If this is the case, then the Wii would be the 1st place to go, I think. The 360 had the advantage of being cheaper + supply problems for the Arcade...It did phenominal given how much it's been getting beat by the Wii as of late.

Software is interesting. This was one of the more accurate months we've seen, which is great. Awesome to see Left 4 Dead to so well, and need about a 100k adjustment.

And for the Wii trends in SW being so massive: Let's remember consumer trending with the Wii. They've always been stronger during the holiday months of Nov-Dec (again) due to family purchasing. Even if HW may look 'bad', that doesn't mean you don't have a massive install base for the Wii that needs new games - which is why games like Wii Play, Fit, Kart and such did so well.



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luisgvm said:
was any console down YOY? 

In December ? All the Sony systems but only slightly.

 



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That Wii Play attach ratio is really something else. What could reasonably explain this? Maybe a lack of unbundled controllers? Regardless of what happened that's extremely impressive.



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impressive sale for xbox 360!!

super low ps3 sale.... ouch wow ouch



Hyruken said:
DMeisterJ said:
FishyJoe said:
Nintendo and Activision make up 80% of the top 10. While Left 4 dead did better than expected, EA still got left in the dust. Not having RB2 for the Wii ready was inexcusable.

Considering how good RB1 (and GH: WT) was selling on the Wii, it was stupid.

Also, GH: WT may have finally put the nail in the coffin of the Wii/3rd party argument.

@ hyruken

No it's not good, but you act like the drop was like fifty percent or something.  Don't sensationalize.  It's worrying, but not life-or-death like you're coming across.

As I said, stop sensationalizing.

 Dude no offence but 9% is a MASSIVE drop. If it happened at any other time of the year then what you say would be true. But it wasen't. It was at the time of the year where majority of people buying a console will buy one such is how the holidays work. Is it normal that a console in its 3rd holiday drops that far? Not if you compare it to history it is not.

Sensationalizing would be to say something like "PS3 is dead", that is not what i said nor what i implied. It is the knock on effect of that is what is worrying. As i said Sony will have no option now but to do 1 of 2 things, either accept that in US at least they will not get 1st place and now looks very unlikely will come 2nd. The gap is now 8.34M in US between the PS3 and the 360. Or do a price cut and hope sales pick up. If they do that they risk losing many more billions because as Joe mentioned PS3 sales for games are not even that great. The top PS3 game of the year barely made it onto the list and then still got killed sales wise by the 360 version. That sends out a msg as mentioned that going exclusive on PS3 could be a huge gamble to 3rd party devs. So the PS3 is not doomed, far from it. But MS have played Sony like a bunch of chumps. While Sony are trying to figure out what to do MS have snuck in on their old stronghold of europe and started to make that replicate the american sales. The question as i mentioned becomes how long can Sony let MS beat them week after week in EU and US before saying "this gen is lost"? They have some massive decisions to make. If these numbers were not 9% down, say they were something like 2% Up they would not be under the same pressure to act. The next few weeks will be vital for the PS3 in terms of compeating for 2nd place in US in my view.

I didn't read this.

But it's not that serious to have to write a long drawn out paragraph over a 9 percent drop. 

Chill.



frybread said:
Is this DS's best month ever?

It is the best month ever ( DS now held the record ). 

 



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ameratsu said:
That Wii Play attach ratio is really something else. What could reasonably explain this? Maybe a lack of unbundled controllers? Regardless of what happened that's extremely impressive.

Entirely antecdotal, but when I went to a major US shopping mall (Easton in Columbus) employees were talking people that already owned Wiis into buying Wii Play since it was the 'cheapest' game they could get - as it included a controller.

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

No adjustments this month guys, I'm happy with all of our figures. I believe the disparity in Wii sales is more of a cumulative thing over the year and maybe adjustments being made to ensure that year end totals line up, similar with MK Wii.

Everything else looks to be in good agreement - well within any margins of error that we would expect.