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Katilian on 08 August 2007
Game_boy said:
Modchips should be unnecessary because making consoles region-free (and games PAL+NTSC compatible at launch) increases sales anyway and gives for example British gamers the same experience as American ones because they both speak English.

I don't want to have to wait for the game to be translated into Hungarian and then marked up 50% before I can buy it.


 Modchips are legal in Australia for the fact that regioning is considered a restriction of trade. In fact, it would be interesting to see if Nintendo did actively block modchips (and even freeloader not working) if the ACCC would take any action against them for restricting trade.

The PS3 is also another interesting area. While games are region free, blu-ray movies are not. Will be curious to see what happens in regards to that when modchips start coming out for the PS3 (although Sony might not bother chasing modchips through the Australian legal system for a second time). 



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Katilian on 08 August 2007
*~Onna76~* said:
Morgyn said:
Stealing and Video Game piracy isn't the same thing so your analogue is incorrect.

By stealing you are actually taking something away, depriving someone of something they have. By Video Game piracy, you are taking a POTENTIAL sale away, so a more correct analogue would be to buy or make your own Ferrari kit car clone than to buy an actual Ferrari.

Ferrari has lost the potential sale and you have a /similar/ product.

Its not perfect, but its more correct than yours.

You're actually stealing, stealing profit from developers and publishers for working their asses off for months or even years to get a game done well.


By that logic, for every product on the market I haven't purchase, I have stolen profit from the producer.



pugowar on 08 August 2007

If you derive value from something without paying for it you are stealing. There is no way about it. However, who hasn't borowed a game from a friend? I guess that is stealing too. The problem is, some people "buy" bootlegged copies. That is horrible. Also, some people download all of their games...that is unacceptable. I buy almost all 95% of what I play...and I hope you do too. I will NEVER buy a mod chip. Never.

I care to much about people who makes game and hope they will make more games like the one's I like.



rubido on 08 August 2007
Morgyn said:
Yarr! Avast Ye!

 Vampire pirates?



akuma587 on 08 August 2007
Galaki said:
piracy is an excuse. The same excuse that the music/movie industry used.
if someone isn't going to buy the game in the first place, s/he isn't going to buy it, no matter what.
There are a few PC games that went without any sort of protection and became best seller. Why? Because the game was good and worth a purchase. An example, Galactic Civilization.

All the disc protection is really annoying. Why the hell do you want your disc drive to periodically spin just to check if the disc is there? The whole game is already on the HDD. All sort of problem comes from disc protection, too. But that's another story.

If your product is good, people will buy it. If it's crappy, people will "test" it before buying. Those that won't buy it regardless of how good it is in the first place will not buy it. So, instead of throwing resources into the disc protection, how about putting some of that money into development?

That's my view on piracy.

 I think it is a lot different for PC games, and somewhat different for console games.

 PC gaming isn't cheap to begin with, so if people can get the games for free, and if they don't have to go through much effort, they will.  That is $50 saved rather than $10 on a CD.  It is about as easy as downloading an album too, just more download time and a little more finagling.  

Console gaming requires hard modding, or soft modding, which most people, including myself, are unwilling to go through. 



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AsylumX on 08 August 2007

The real issue with piracy is why people do it... because i believe that in NA or EU or JP there very few people who pirate a game... because is easy to find the game you want and you can purchase at and accesible price... but what happens in other countries of the world?? Sometimes games are impossible to find or if you can find it you have to pay 2 times retail price...

Piracy is not a big issue in NA or EU or JP... is a big issue in China, South America and other coutries were piracy is an industries... when i went on vacation to South America... you could see people buying ps2 pirated games on the street... modded PS2 where sell directly to the customer...

I think this happens because those regions are left out of the "gaming" business... we never read a piece of news about any given console launch at those regions... but i don't know... i also dislike the fact that you cannot play imports on your console...



kn on 08 August 2007
Morgyn said:
Stealing and Video Game piracy isn't the same thing so your analogue is incorrect.

By stealing you are actually taking something away, depriving someone of something they have. By Video Game piracy, you are taking a POTENTIAL sale away, so a more correct analogue would be to buy or make your own Ferrari kit car clone than to buy an actual Ferrari.

Ferrari has lost the potential sale and you have a /similar/ product.

Its not perfect, but its more correct than yours.

 Are you familiar with the term "intellectual property"?  It doesn't matter in the eyes of the law whether a ferrari or a line of code.  You are stealing.  Period.  There is no other way to define it.  Unless the IP owner grants you specific permission to use their property free (and it is property) you have stolen it regardless of whether or not you would have bought it otherwise.  There is no other way to define it unless you implicitly condone piracy.



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DKII on 08 August 2007
*~Onna76~* said:
I've got the feeling this thread will get a lock soon... I'm personally completely "against" game piracy. All my games are real and I make sure they are real as a lot of people sell bootleg crap and you find out for yourself they're so not the same as original games. Bootleg games eventually mess up your consoles or won't work anymore.

I think the thread is fine as long as no one goes into specific details of how to do it. ;>



Legend11 on 08 August 2007

I think the bad thing about piracy is that once a person starts down that road it's extremely hard to get off of it. And I rarely if ever see a pirate buy a game "they really like", I think that's just an excuse and a way for pirates to make themselves feel better and justify what they're doing. As for piracy being different than stealing, it is stealing and just because there are no physical goods does not mean that the developer isn't out sales (and significant numbers of sales) for some games.  I realize it's ridiculous to think a person who pirates thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of software would buy it all but the truth is they very likely would have bought at least some of it and when you consider that almost every game gets pirated and there are a massive amount of people using bittorrent it stands to reason that every developer is out at least some sales.

And Michael Capps is right, there are *many* people with highend PCs that are using bittorrent to pirate their games. Just go onto bittorrent sites where people talk about PC games and you'll see many people listing their system specs and many have 7900GTX, 8800GTS, and 8800GTX cards. Since games like Crysis are geared directly for those kinds of cards and the market for them is a small segment of the total PC population it's no wonder that such cutting edge games are becoming fewer.

As for people who blame the software companies themselves for piracy, lets be honest, even the best games available get pirated by a lot of people.  It wouldn't matter how amazing the game is, if it showed up on bittorrent sites it would be pirated.  There are people who pirated The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Grand Theft Auto 3, Resident Evil 4, Halo: Combat Evolved, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Half-Life 2,  and other truly amazing games that are ranked very highly on Game Rankings by the media and consumers.  And it's not price either since I've seen dvds that came out new for a very reasonable price (US$14.99) and with a lot of additional content get pirated as well.  Sadly many people that pirate wouldn't buy the stuff unless it's the same price as a blank dvd or dvd-9, I mean they are of the mindset "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?".

Anyways that's my take on it ;)



Morgyn on 08 August 2007
kn said:


Are you familiar with the term "intellectual property"? It doesn't matter in the eyes of the law whether a ferrari or a line of code. You are stealing. Period. There is no other way to define it. Unless the IP owner grants you specific permission to use their property free (and it is property) you have stolen it regardless of whether or not you would have bought it otherwise. There is no other way to define it unless you implicitly condone piracy.


I Am, but clearly you are not. IP "theft" is a civil offence, unlike actual theft which is a criminal offence. Take a look at the court cases with the RIAA and the MPAA, and the recent developments in Germany for a European perspective.

It all depends if you agree with the concepts of copyright and owning ideas. IP, copyrighted material and patents have limited lifespan for a reason and then you enter into the quagmire of derived works.

Simply put: Copying games, artwork, music or car designs is not, will never be, stealing. It is intellectual or copyright infringement.

Do not buy into big businesses constant inaccurate reinforcement that this is theft. Furthermore do not attempt to draw a line in the sand and say either you agree with me or you are siding with "teh terrorists", nothing in this world is either or.

 

edit: Added a comma for clarity.