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Ok, if AI isn't going away completely, and there are apparently good uses for AI, then we need regulation to keep AI from fucking up the world further than it already was before AI.

I believe that AI should be kept out of art, animation, music, screenwriting, literature, education, news, toys, photography, advertising, law enforcement and military.

What I believe are acceptable uses of AI are monitoring ocean health, small computations, alerting home owners to possible intruders, detecting illness, and alerting us to emergencies.

Well, those are my thoughts, I'm trying to come up with compromises, if there's anything wrong with what I said lemme know.



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You are mixing moral reasons (like military and police work) with aesthetic reasons (art, literature, film) for not wanting AI anywhere. When AI is done to write a story for example, it becomes stale and without any taste whatsoever. The same thing happens with film. So, there really isn't a problem there. A combo of market forces and tastes of the audience will dictate how much AI is in our various arts.

For warfare, you could say that it is already being done. Drones are given a general area to cover and know what a tank, artillery piece, etc looks like. It's not fully autonomous yet at all. Police has long used software to predict where crime will happen, and i'm sure that the FBI uses it to predict things like where a serial killer will strike next. I see police and military use as a "small sin", where if it is wrong then there are much larger wrongs such as the various currently recognized war crimes.

Lastly, i understand your pain and also see many problems with the coming of the A.I. age. It won't be all positive by any means, but I also think that avoiding this will make america fall behind China and the rest of the world. It will make America laughed at because we can't get with the program. We have to move forward but do so in a responsible manner, kind of like how you are starting to see some wortrh in the middle ground in this issue.



shavenferret said:

You are mixing moral reasons (like military and police work) with aesthetic reasons (art, literature, film) for not wanting AI anywhere. When AI is done to write a story for example, it becomes stale and without any taste whatsoever. The same thing happens with film. So, there really isn't a problem there.

Try telling that to artists, actors, writers and animators who dedicated their lives to their crafts, only to have it invaded by computerized plagiarism. AI can't make art on it's own unless it learns from pre-existing works. Disney and Pixar works are frequent victims of gen AI making slop of their work.

These turtles look familiar?

Then there's the audacity of Hasbro to try to get child actors from Peppa Pig to sign their voices over to be used for AI. It's a scam to make sure they never have to hire new voice actors for child characters on the show. It's cheap, lazy and soulless to cheat future actors out of their careers. The fact that Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks makes millions while laying off over 1000 Hasbro employees makes the Peppa Pig situation look even sleazier.



CaptainExplosion said:
shavenferret said:

You are mixing moral reasons (like military and police work) with aesthetic reasons (art, literature, film) for not wanting AI anywhere. When AI is done to write a story for example, it becomes stale and without any taste whatsoever. The same thing happens with film. So, there really isn't a problem there.

Try telling that to artists, actors, writers and animators who dedicated their lives to their crafts, only to have it invaded by computerized plagiarism. AI can't make art on it's own unless it learns from pre-existing works. Disney and Pixar works are frequent victims of gen AI making slop of their work.

These turtles look familiar?

Then there's the audacity of Hasbro to try to get child actors from Peppa Pig to sign their voices over to be used for AI. It's a scam to make sure they never have to hire new voice actors for child characters on the show. It's cheap, lazy and soulless to cheat future actors out of their careers. The fact that Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks makes millions while laying off over 1000 Hasbro employees makes the Peppa Pig situation look even sleazier.

My point was that AI art becomes recognizable.  These characters are interacting nonverbally, and that would be difficult for AI to imitate.  Therefore it can't hold up to real people in many respects.  

The background might be AI.  



shavenferret said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Try telling that to artists, actors, writers and animators who dedicated their lives to their crafts, only to have it invaded by computerized plagiarism. AI can't make art on it's own unless it learns from pre-existing works. Disney and Pixar works are frequent victims of gen AI making slop of their work.

These turtles look familiar?

Then there's the audacity of Hasbro to try to get child actors from Peppa Pig to sign their voices over to be used for AI. It's a scam to make sure they never have to hire new voice actors for child characters on the show. It's cheap, lazy and soulless to cheat future actors out of their careers. The fact that Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks makes millions while laying off over 1000 Hasbro employees makes the Peppa Pig situation look even sleazier.

My point was that AI art becomes recognizable.  These characters are interacting nonverbally, and that would be difficult for AI to imitate.  Therefore it can't hold up to real people in many respects.  

The background might be AI.  

I remember seeing a version that blatantly ripped Hank from Finding Dory, pretending it was just a generic octopus.

Then there are the AI assisted suicides of these teenage boys.



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CaptainExplosion said:
shavenferret said:

My point was that AI art becomes recognizable.  These characters are interacting nonverbally, and that would be difficult for AI to imitate.  Therefore it can't hold up to real people in many respects.  

The background might be AI.  

I remember seeing a version that blatantly ripped Hank from Finding Dory, pretending it was just a generic octopus.

Then there are the AI assisted suicides of these teenage boys.

Unfortunately, anybody can just get on google and look up suicide how-to’s. So, ai shouldn’t change much unfortunately. 



The only places it should be allowed is the medical field and as search curators (like what we already have on Google). Everything else should get the hard ban. And environmental regulations should be heavily levied on data centers to protect water sources etc.



JackHandy said:

The only places it should be allowed is the medical field and as search curators (like what we already have on Google). Everything else should get the hard ban. And environmental regulations should be heavily levied on data centers to protect water sources etc.

Why can't we have AI without data centers? Why can't they be cooled by less harmful methods? Can't they use liquid nitrogen as a coolant?



CaptainExplosion said:
JackHandy said:

The only places it should be allowed is the medical field and as search curators (like what we already have on Google). Everything else should get the hard ban. And environmental regulations should be heavily levied on data centers to protect water sources etc.

Why can't we have AI without data centers? Why can't they be cooled by less harmful methods? Can't they use liquid nitrogen as a coolant?

I don't know. I haven't studied it much. But if so, yeah. That would be the obvious solution. But without regulators holding their feet to the fire, are they even going to search for such a solution? In my experience, most companies like this are straight up evil. Profits before people etc. I don't think they'll do anything until forced to.



JackHandy said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Why can't we have AI without data centers? Why can't they be cooled by less harmful methods? Can't they use liquid nitrogen as a coolant?

I don't know. I haven't studied it much. But if so, yeah. That would be the obvious solution. But without regulators holding their feet to the fire, are they even going to search for such a solution? In my experience, most companies like this are straight up evil. Profits before people etc. I don't think they'll do anything until forced to.

Then I hope these CEOs all get Luigi Mangeone'd.