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MasonADC on 17 July 2019
JRPGfan said:
MasonADC said:
The Switch pro is still happening.

No.... those rumors of the newer chip that was shrunk down.... this is it.

Instead of clocking it higher, so it has more performance, their keeping its performance the same, and gaining better battery life instead.
There isnt going to be a Switch Pro, going by this.

16nm chip + more energy effecient ram = +80% battery life, thats what your getting with this.


For people that only use their switch docked, theres basically nothing gained from these (perphaps it ll run cooler & make less noise).

Rumors aren't happening of it because it was never this year in the first place. 



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Wyrdness on 17 July 2019

The only way a Switch pro is going to happen is like I've said before if Nintendo go the GB to GBC route where the pro model is a pseudo successor.

Shiken said:
p0isonparadise said:
I see some of you still don't understand what makes a Nintendo console successful. Hilarious.

The earliest Switch 2 will release in my opinion is holiday 2023, preferably March 2024.

Historically speaking, less 3rd party support equates to less sales for Nintendo consoles.  Look at N64, GC, and WiiU for proof.  Each one had less support than the last, and each had less sales than the last.  The only exception to that rule is the Wii.

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.

GC had far more support than N64 on all levels so this debunks your point, third party support isn't what sells Nintendo platforms it's the platform itself being appealing that does that which is why their portables have destroyed everyone who has entered the market and why both the Wii and Switch defied what people expected they were platforms that played to Nintendo's strengths in which they did their own thing and executed it right. The reason Wii and Switch had more support is simple they created a situation that third parties couldn't afford to ignore, Wii tapped into a huge market in a time when developers were going under from HD development costs while Switch being a hybrid is in two markets one of which it has a monopoly on which dictates things heavily in Japan, it's always going to do well as a result regardless of what the competition do.



Shiken on 17 July 2019
RolStoppable said:
Shiken said:

You see the problem here is that you are cherry picking what facts you want to use for this topic.

Acting like the NES and SNES did not need western 3rd party because most 3rd party devs were from Japan does not exactly qualify as a quality argument.  The fact is, the NES and SNES had the majority of 3rd party support as a whole, which is the real factor.

Also we are not talking about the handheld market, so to throw those in there just to pad the numbers is also not a good way to look at things.  All that does is enable people who try to say, "Switch is only a handheld that connects to the TV, and therefore sales should not be compared to PS or XB."  The fact is that the Switch is a hybrid home console with portable functionality, as that is what it is advertised and sold as.  Furthermore their handhelds have had adequate 3rd party support as a whole, cherry picking western devs is just a way to make it look like they had less than what they did.

So unless you are ready to jump on the bandwagon of either "Nintendo dropped out of consoles" or "with the Switch Lite making the Switch a portable only device, a next gen home console from Nintendo is right around the corner", I suggest you re-evaluate your the data you are briging to the table.

Uh-huh...

Switch is a hybrid because it functions as both a home console and a handheld console. This also means that the software pipelines of Nintendo home consoles and handhelds have been united, so it's only logical to look at the entire history of both Nintendo home consoles and handhelds.

If you are ready to concede that Nintendo handhelds have always had adequate third party support, then it should be obvious that Switch will be fine regardless of what the AAA third party publishers intend to do in the coming years. The biggest advantage that Switch has over Nintendo handhelds is that it has Nintendo's full attention, something that hasn't been the case since the NES.

When someone raises the question if Nintendo can succeed in the absence of AAA third party support, specifically what said support is known as today, then it only makes sense to point out that every successful Nintendo console in history has succeeded without said support.

I have to give credit to the bolded.  Very good point there, and that alongside of stellar 1st party offerings will serve well to keep the Switch going strong regardless of what happens.

My prediction remains the same however for reasons I have previously gone over.  Only time will tell at this point.



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p0isonparadise on 17 July 2019
Shiken said:
p0isonparadise said:
I see some of you still don't understand what makes a Nintendo console successful. Hilarious.

The earliest Switch 2 will release in my opinion is holiday 2023, preferably March 2024.

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.

Indies are important for Switch, AAA support is not. 



Chrkeller on 17 July 2019
p0isonparadise said:
Shiken said:

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.

Indies are important for Switch, AAA support is not. 

Agreed.  The Switch isn't going to be replaced anytime soon, not when it is selling as well as it currently is.  If the Switch continues to do well in sales, including software, it will get third party support via Indies and exclusive content.  People are not buying a Switch to play the next Madden, CoD and GTA.  The Switch to a large degree is targeting a different demographic.  Which is why I don't understand why people act baffled when Nintendo doesn't do what MS/Sony do.  

Edit

I'll add, I don't understand why people want to define generations.  Who ****ing cares?  Buy great games and have fun.



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Bofferbrauer2 on 17 July 2019
Shiken said:
Mar1217 said:

This isn't happening before 2023 imo. They're going for the longer lifespan this time around. It doesn't need the power boost some hopes for since it's been proven by sales that buyers aren't in for this aspect. (They're sure in for the games though !) 

They will still support it with a few cross gen gamea from 1st party.  Many people will still want some multiplats on the go, which is why the upgrade would make sense due to next gen consoles.  As you said, people want the games.

RolStoppable said:

The typical lifecycle of a successful Nintendo console has been six years. What has also been typical is that Nintendo had to support two consoles concurrently, but that not being the case anymore makes it much easier to prolong the lifecycle of Switch. And given how long it will take until Switch gets its first price cut, there is plenty of time left for multiple price cuts to extend the lifespan.

I have no idea why you would consider it a good idea to deliberately shorten a console's life and move on to a successor. Switch is much more successful than the 3DS, but for some reason you conclude a shorter lifespan.

The Switch is advertised as a home console with hybrid portable functionality.  The only home consoles from Nintendo to go 6 years was the NES, and the Wii.  Everything else followed a 5 year cycle (4.5 for WiiU).

You forgot the Super Nintendo, which had a 6 year run, too. Only in Japan, though, but still.

Then, you can add the handhelds. Gameboy, DS and 3DS had more than 6 years shelf life each.

Seriously, the 5-year cycle came from the late 90's/early 2000's, when graphic developments went so fast that a console was hopelessly outdated after 5 years, just compare PS2 graphics to X360. But with the diminishing returns these days, consoles should get longer and longer shelf lives, not shorter ones.



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Shiken on 17 July 2019
p0isonparadise said:
Shiken said:

It would seem that some people do not understand that while 1st party games are the main reason people choose Nintendo, and even get away with less support than the competition, having 3rd party support to some extent is still important for the success of the device.

Indies are important for Switch, AAA support is not. 

Agree about the indies, but there is still value in AAA games to a degree.  As someone who buys all multiplats on Switch for major releases to have them on the go, 3rd party support plays a large role in why Switch is my primary console and my PS4 Pro has become my side console that gets a fraction of my time.  Also I never said anything about AAA support specifically, just third party support which implies to ALL full retail multiplats.  You are the one that inserted AAA into this debate.



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PortisheadBiscuit on 17 July 2019

Lmao, now can people please stfu about the Switch "pro". Kthxbye



p0isonparadise on 17 July 2019
Shiken said:
p0isonparadise said:

Indies are important for Switch, AAA support is not. 

Also I never said anything about AAA support specifically, just third party support which implies to ALL full retail multiplats.  You are the one that inserted AAA into this debate.

That's why I wanted to clarify my stance on the issue. 



Barkley on 17 July 2019
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Lmao, now can people please stfu about the Switch "pro". Kthxbye

Don't worry you'll get your New Switch Pro XL next year.