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Forums - Politics Discussion - NYT : "Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign"

 

Collusion?

yes 116 50.43%
 
no 22 9.57%
 
too early to tell? 35 15.22%
 
fake news 57 24.78%
 
Total:230
epicurean on 11 July 2017
Machiavellian said:
epicurean said:
I love how she is now "The Russians". She is somehow representative of the entire russian government. Did she have some contacts, sure. But that's the biggest stretch in all this - that she was doing all of this on behalf of the Russian Government, which there isn't a shred of proof of.
This is more of the same from the Times, which is pot committed at this point to prove their narrative.

So are you telling everyone that she was just there to talk about abortion to people who had no power to remove sanctions that were the cause of abortions being denied to Americans in the first place.  Who do you think benefits if those sanctions are removed.  Who do you think has to pay up and remove those sanctions for information.  So who exactly was she doing this work for.  Also if the real subject was the sanctions then Trump Jr was definitely in the wrong place talking about things he had no authority to talk or make deals on which if I remember correctly is a criminal act.

So what is your opinion they were talking about or what do you think the cost of this information Trump Jr and his father would have to pay if it was relevant.  The key is that you only have Trump Jr word that nothing came from this meeting.  You know the same person who continue to change his story as new information comes out.

I don't have any idea what they were talking about - I'm guessing it probably WAS about Hillary. I just didn't think there was anything tying her to the Russian government. I must be missing some of the emails, from what I've looked up, she was usually referred to as the "Russian Lawyer", though once she was referred to as the "Russian Government Lawyer", which I don't believe is actually correct. However the post above yours states that she was called something else, or got info from someone else, in the Russian Government, which as I mentioned, I haven't seen.

Before ya'll get to revved up, I'm in no way a fan of Trump, I just think the Russian narrative has been blown wildly out of proportion. It's basically been the lead story for 6 months now via CNN, the NY Times, and Post. They covered the DNC scandel for about 2 days, and that invovled one party doing everything they could to make sure someone was nominated. If the biggest thing they find is that Trump Jr met with a lawyer from Russia for 20 minutes, then I'm not nearly as worried about this as I am that the DNC is completely corrupt.



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epicurean on 11 July 2017
Machiavellian said:
I believe the key here is that he accepted the meeting knowing if the information was good he would need to pay up. So what would be the price of this information. For the people defending what he did as not being illegal, you may be right but you have to think about what the cost of the information to truly understand the situation.

While they say they were discussing adoptions who in their right mind believe that crap. First, at the time, Trump and his people had absolutely no pull to remove sanctions that were the cause of the Russia denying the US adoptions in the first place. So if the conversation was about adoptions, then what it really was about were the sanctions put in place. So here we are again where sanctions are the top of discussions and if Trump were to remove them you can be sure it was for payment for services rendered.

It continues to amaze me that people who continue to defend Trump and his people do not see the very obvious. No matter how you slice it, Trump and his people were making deals to remove sanctions and thus profit on the outcome. Since Trump and his people were not in the white house at this time, this would definitely be criminal acts on the order of Treason. Anyway, the fact these emails and other tidbits keep dropping peace meal make me believe that there are people with strings to damaging information and they keep dropping these little tidbits because Trump as usual never keeps his end of business deals.

It would not surprise me that Trump made some deals, got the Presidency then started to forget. Now these people start to drip out pieces at a time which always seem to catch his people off guard where they have to recant previous statements or reveal more then they disclose while looking completely stupid because of on camera statements they made denouncing anything was going on.

What makes you think they were going to have to "pay" for anything? I don't see anything in any of the emails, or even anything claimed by the Times, that any compensation - money or otherwise - is involved. 

I understand your further logic - I just don't agree with it. The Times, CNN, the Post, and others have been digging for over 6 months non-stop looking for info, and this is the biggest thing they've found (with the help of inside sources that are willing to leak literally everything he does). I just don't think the Russia story is going to get the Dems the endgame they want - impeachment - because I don't think there's enough there, unless they find a technicality (though that wouldn't suprise me).

I think there's probably other things he's done/said that would severly damage him, and I wish news outlets would stop with what thusfar has been a "nothing burger" and damage him for things that are more apparent and obvious.



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epicurean on 11 July 2017
TargaryenVers2 said:
The entire Trump crew needs to shut up and lawyer up now. Stop defending themselves or talking about it as it continually looks like they're caught in lie after lie. If they're truly innocent they need to let professionals help them.

I agree with this. If anything gets Trump impeached its going to be his own damn mouth (keyboard).



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FIT_Gamer on 11 July 2017

Funny seeing people saying it's "fake news". The dolt outed himself and tweeted the email.



specialk on 11 July 2017
epicurean said:

I think there's probably other things he's done/said that would severly damage him, and I wish news outlets would stop with what thusfar has been a "nothing burger" and damage him for things that are more apparent and obvious.

Learning about a foreign government's plot to influence a US election, not reporting it, seeking to profit from it, and lying about it for the better part of a year is not a nothing burger.



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Wiibaron on 11 July 2017

So the people who want you to see info that is bad about your opponent are 'on your side'? Has this ever been not true? EVER? The info getter doesn't jump at the chance and waits a week. This is all totally BEFORE the getter of the info knows that info will even matter in the future[ This was before conventions.]Then the info givers don't give that/any info and try to sell you a timeshare instead[adoption]. Then later, the duped info getter tells everyone what happened. How about we try to find out what that damaging info was? That might be the actual unbiased/real story here...



epicurean on 11 July 2017
specialk said:
epicurean said:

I think there's probably other things he's done/said that would severly damage him, and I wish news outlets would stop with what thusfar has been a "nothing burger" and damage him for things that are more apparent and obvious.

Learning about a foreign government's plot to influence a US election, not reporting it, seeking to profit from it, and lying about it for the better part of a year is not a nothing burger.

Cool - I'll just leave this here then and you can point me to when you were equally up in arms about the Dems doing the exact same thing (if not worse):

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/10/everybody-is-forgetting-that-clinton-allies-did-the-same-thing-as-don-jr/

And I think you're using quite a bit of hyperbole in your statement. There's no proof at all that this has anything to do with the Russian govt. The tabloid dude seems to indicate that its from a person in the Russian gov't (for a position that doesn't exist). There's no evidence that's true AND DTJ never comments on it. And again, see the link above.

And the nothing burger consists of everything prior to this. As i said, its been the biggest story on those network for 6 months. Prior to this, what was the biggest report indicating this that justified all that coverage?



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specialk on 11 July 2017
Wiibaron said:

So the people who want you to see info that is bad about your opponent are 'on your side'? Has this ever been not true? EVER? The info getter doesn't jump at the chance and waits a week. This is all totally BEFORE the getter of the info knows that info will even matter in the future[ This was before conventions.]Then the info givers don't give that/any info and try to sell you a timeshare instead[adoption]. Then later, the duped info getter tells everyone what happened. How about we try to find out what that damaging info was? That might be the actual unbiased/real story here...

What are you talking about?

Goldstone emailed Trump Jr. about an offer from the "Crown prosecutor of Russia" and described it as "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump".

Trump Jr. replied literally 17 minutes later;

"Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?"



sundin13 on 11 July 2017

I'd say that a conspiracy charge is pretty clear here if you cannot prove actual collusion from this. If the meeting did turn out to be a dead end, you still have (imo) clear proof of a conspiracy to collude with the Russian government. Whether or not those attempts were successful is important but not an end all, be all.



epicurean on 11 July 2017
sundin13 said:
I'd say that a conspiracy charge is pretty clear here if you cannot prove actual collusion from this. If the meeting did turn out to be a dead end, you still have (imo) clear proof of a conspiracy to collude with the Russian government. Whether or not those attempts were successful is important but not an end all, be all.

They could easily get out of that if no info was exchanged, or even further, if there's no proof info was exchanged. 

Even though I don't think for a second that this is actually the case, DTJ could simply see he met with them to see if what they said was real, then he would report it. If everything someone offered in email was true I'd be a millionaire by helping a Prince in Africa get his money out of a bank.



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