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sethnintendo said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

I find breaking the law because you fled from a shitty, filthy, poverty stricken country filled with famine and crime to come to a place like the US to be akin to riding your bike on a sidewalk. It's just a fucking joke. If they want to work, if they want a better life for themselves or their family, let them in... let them all in. And if our government won't let them in, I hope they keep on sneaking in anyway. Fuck it.

And that is why wages have been suppressed for many jobs in the USA.  Take working in a meat plant.  It used to be a decent job providing about 20 dollars a hour.  Flood in a bunch of illegals and the average wage is now ~10 dollars a hour.  Illegal immigrants suppress wages. 

But the immigrants are just trying to make a decent living. It's the employers that are trying to shortchange everyone.



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deskpro2k3 said:
sethnintendo said:

And that is why wages have been suppressed for many jobs in the USA.  Take working in a meat plant.  It used to be a decent job providing about 20 dollars a hour.  Flood in a bunch of illegals and the average wage is now ~10 dollars a hour.  Illegal immigrants supress wages. 

Most Americans don't even want those jobs. They complain about them taking their jobs away when they themselves don't even want it.

 

Maybe Americans dont want those jobs as they pay like 8 dollars an hour because the companies can get  can get cheap labour from illegal mexicans from the blessings of clueless people like yourself?

Do the great Socialist Northern European nations allow for companies to have cheap illegal immigrant labour?

Doubt it?

I just find it hilarious progressives back ideas that pretty much are screwing the poor in the end.

Free trade with countries with no cheap labour and open borders...

Countries that have controlled immigration and have free trade that is fair trade are better for its people like Canada, NZ and Australia.



deskpro2k3 said:
sethnintendo said:

And that is why wages have been suppressed for many jobs in the USA.  Take working in a meat plant.  It used to be a decent job providing about 20 dollars a hour.  Flood in a bunch of illegals and the average wage is now ~10 dollars a hour.  Illegal immigrants supress wages. 

Most Americans don't even want those jobs. They complain about them taking their jobs away when they themselves don't even want it.

True to some extent, but this is a bit of a fallacy. Immigrants don't just all fall into a funnel of undesirable jobs. They're mostly given them due to the nature of skills and wages accepted (willing to work for lower wage if it means that their employer will pay cash and not report the income; ie most construction jobs).

Even for those undesirable jobs, you move move far enough north (or shoot, just far enough away from a city center) and you'll find nothing but white people in those same jobs.



SpokenTruth said:

So a person with no connections, doens't speak English and has no skills is doing the work at half the wage?  Sounds like the $20 per hour people were being overpaid for the work.

sethnintendo said:

I'd even argue legal immigrants suppress wages.  I work at a manufucturing plant that is filled with mainly Asians, Hispanics, Iraqis, and Blacks. 

WTF? 

Yea well if there is one thing you want if you eat steaks, burgers, etc is that the meat is properly cut and prepared.  If you don't cut the stomach and other organs out properly then the meat can become contaminated with bacteria.  We also run the lines twice as fast meat that will be shipped to EU.  I'd rather have a skilled butcher than someone that doesn't really care about the food product because they are barely paid shit (one reason why I avoid fast food and most restaurants is because the workers probably don't care much because they are barely paid).  Reading fast food nation pretty much opens the eyes of how shady the entire food industry is in USA. 

 

As for the second quote.  I probably should have used Africans.  I don't use the phrase African Americans.  Some were born in Africa and some were born here in USA that work at my job.  I didn't really care to distinguish the two earlier this morning. 

It sounds silly but I consider myself white and I would never expect someone to say European American or Caucasian.  Almost all blacks that I know don't care if you call them black.  I've never heard someone say to me would you please call me African American.  The only people that have ever said anything to me were white people trying to get me to use some "politically correct term".  Most blacks don't care if they are called African American or Black ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx )  If you want to consider me racist then so be it I don't give a fuck.  I won't change the way I speak especially if a race has no problem with the word being used to describe them. 

I'll change it to Africans though so it makes more sense considering most black USA citizens were forced immigrants.



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What a crazy place the US must be, people getting tased over a bus fare lol

Ikr, I'm sitting here from the UK were our police officers sooner use wheelie bins, to deal against people with a Machete rather than a tazer or gun.

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VGPolyglot said:
sethnintendo said:

And that is why wages have been suppressed for many jobs in the USA.  Take working in a meat plant.  It used to be a decent job providing about 20 dollars a hour.  Flood in a bunch of illegals and the average wage is now ~10 dollars a hour.  Illegal immigrants suppress wages. 

But the immigrants are just trying to make a decent living. It's the employers that are trying to shortchange everyone.

The employers want illegals because they're great workers and cheap. People hate them because they objectively take jobs.

The real blame falls on the cities for not putting its citizents first. Its not the employers job to enforce laws, they will just do what's best for them especially if it saves them money.

I find it funny that left wingers often demand higher minimum wages while being okay with the exploitation of immigrants at low wages.



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AlfredoTurkey said:

I find breaking the law because you fled from a shitty, filthy, poverty stricken country filled with famine and crime to come to a place like the US to be akin to riding your bike on a sidewalk. It's just a fucking joke. If they want to work, if they want a better life for themselves or their family, let them in... let them all in. And if our government won't let them in, I hope they keep on sneaking in anyway. Fuck it.

I see where you're coming from, but that discourages them from ever fixing their countries and if you're a democrat (I'm assuming you lean left) then you'll take Ls in elections for inflating the welfare state by giving their children benefits they might not need (I know many well off Hispanic people that take it because "The Government steals our money anyway", No problem with people in need taking benefits).  Not to mention employers and others taking advantage of them because they can't go to the police.  I have no problem with them, but at a point the problem will have to be addressed head on.



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sethnintendo said:
SpokenTruth said:

So a person with no connections, doens't speak English and has no skills is doing the work at half the wage?  Sounds like the $20 per hour people were being overpaid for the work.

WTF? 

Yea well if there is one thing you want if you eat steaks, burgers, etc is that the meat is properly cut and prepared.  If you don't cut the stomach and other organs out properly then the meat can become contaminated with bacteria.  We also run the lines twice as fast meat that will be shipped to EU.  I'd rather have a skilled butcher than someone that doesn't really care about the food product because they are barely paid shit (one reason why I avoid fast food and most restaurants is because the workers probably don't care much because they are barely paid).  Reading fast food nation pretty much opens the eyes of how shady the entire food industry is in USA. 

 

As for the second quote.  I probably should have used Africans.  I don't use the phrase African Americans.  Some were born in Africa and some were born here in USA that work at my job.  I didn't really care to distinguish the two earlier this morning. 

It sounds silly but I consider myself white and I would never expect someone to say European American or Caucasian.  Almost all blacks that I know don't care if you call them black.  I've never heard someone say to me would you please call me African American.  The only people that have ever said anything to me were white people trying to get me to use some "politically correct term".  Most blacks don't care if they are called African American or Black ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx )  If you want to consider me racist then so be it I don't give a fuck.  I won't change the way I speak especially if a race has no problem with the word being used to describe them. 

I'll change it to Africans though so it makes more sense considering most black USA citizens were forced immigrants.

What's wrong with saying Black?  My parents were born in Mexico and it bothers the F out of me when people call me Mexican because I am not a national of Mexico and Mexican is a nationality and not a race or ethncity.  No problem with people that want to be called that, but I don't.  Why is it wrong to correctly say something and not use logical fallicy buzzwords.



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DannyDesario said:
sethnintendo said:

Yea well if there is one thing you want if you eat steaks, burgers, etc is that the meat is properly cut and prepared.  If you don't cut the stomach and other organs out properly then the meat can become contaminated with bacteria.  We also run the lines twice as fast meat that will be shipped to EU.  I'd rather have a skilled butcher than someone that doesn't really care about the food product because they are barely paid shit (one reason why I avoid fast food and most restaurants is because the workers probably don't care much because they are barely paid).  Reading fast food nation pretty much opens the eyes of how shady the entire food industry is in USA. 

 

As for the second quote.  I probably should have used Africans.  I don't use the phrase African Americans.  Some were born in Africa and some were born here in USA that work at my job.  I didn't really care to distinguish the two earlier this morning. 

It sounds silly but I consider myself white and I would never expect someone to say European American or Caucasian.  Almost all blacks that I know don't care if you call them black.  I've never heard someone say to me would you please call me African American.  The only people that have ever said anything to me were white people trying to get me to use some "politically correct term".  Most blacks don't care if they are called African American or Black ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx )  If you want to consider me racist then so be it I don't give a fuck.  I won't change the way I speak especially if a race has no problem with the word being used to describe them. 

I'll change it to Africans though so it makes more sense considering most black USA citizens were forced immigrants.

What's wrong with saying Black?  My parents were born in Mexico and it bothers the F out of me when people call me Mexican because I am not a national of Mexico and Mexican is a nationality and not a race or ethncity.  No problem with people that want to be called that, but I don't.  Why is it wrong to correctly say something and not use logical fallicy buzzwords.

Nothing, really. People just look for things to complain about.



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