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I mean the biggest reason is Nintendo would not be able to have the polish we are used to on their hardware. We also would have less new IP's. Something people complain about already. Splatoon and Arms would not exist as a 3rd party developer. If you have not noticed most major developers are already a 1-2 IP company these days. Capcom is no longer spitting out a new IP ever few minutes. They are mainly a 3 IP company now. SEGA same thing dropped from consoles and the company that once like Capcom spat out new IPs every few minutes is now down to only a few. Fire Emblem and Xenoblade series would be gone. Nintendo would do Mario and Zelda and a couple variants/spinoffs.

We need Nintendo making hardware for if only so they can continue to be making more than just a couple IPs. Before it became "fuck konami" Konami last gen was just MGS,CV and PES for the most part. That would be Nintendo's future as a only 3rd party company.



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Ljink96 said:
They aren't playing it safe, it works sometimes and it bombs other times. That's how companies grow and stay alive.

But other then the Wii & DS is there any other standouts where taking risks actually worked?

Every home console other then the Wii released by Nintendo has sold less then the previous...

It just feels like ever since the Wii Nintendo have decided they need to "Innovate" and make some kind of change to input and how we play games. To the point that it seems forced. Watching the Switch reveal it just feels like they're trying to recapture the magic-in-a-bottle they hit with the Wii.



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Barkley said:
Ljink96 said:
They aren't playing it safe, it works sometimes and it bombs other times. That's how companies grow and stay alive.

But other then the Wii & DS is there any other standouts where taking risks actually worked?

Every home console other then the Wii released by Nintendo has sold less then the previous...

3DS has been a moderate success. They take risks in their games also but you're probably talking about hardware so I'd say Wii/ DS/ and 3DS.



They've had a good run but its time to let the dream go. People dont want "new inventive controls" to play video games anymore. we want something more conventional and more powerful. and if Nintendo had their games on other consoles they would look better, play better, and sell better. Come on guys, we all know its time.



Barkley said:
Ljink96 said:
They aren't playing it safe, it works sometimes and it bombs other times. That's how companies grow and stay alive.

But other then the Wii & DS is there any other standouts where taking risks actually worked?

Every home console other then the Wii released by Nintendo has sold less then the previous...

Not really, we've only been one generation out since the Wii and DS, no way to tell just yet. Every home console has sold less than the previous and at least 1 instance can be said with all of the big 3 consoles, it's not just Nintendo. Nintendo simply has more history. 

PS1: 101M, PS2 155M, PS3 88M, PS4 53M(So far)

PSP 80M, PSV: 14M

XBOX: 24M, Xbox 360 88M, Xbox One 25M(so far...no way it's going to beat 360)

NES: 61M, SNES:49M, N64: 32M, GCN: 22M, Wii: 101M, Wii U: 13M

Game&Watch: 34M, GB: 118M, GBA:82M, DS:155M, 3DS 61M

So yes, most Nintendo consoles have sold less than the previous and that's due to competition. Just as some sony and microsoft consoles have sold less than the previous due to competition. It's just easier to highlight Nintendo because of their 30 year gaming history. The most important thing is that Nintendo makes hardware that is profitable and software to reoup the losses. That's what they should be focusing on. 

Each console also has their own perks. People love to say Wii sold that way because it was a gimmick and sold to a lot of demographics. Well, the PS1 it had a cd player in it. PS2 had a DVD player. I know a ton of people who bought a PS2 because it was the cheapest DVD player on the market. You also have to factor in additives like these. 



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Ljink96 said:
Reggie: "What's the best graphics card we can put in this thing" THANK YOU REGGIE.

That's all what these consoles are about and what they'll be about in the future. CPU and GPU. Like I said, anybody can engineer greater graphics and cpus it takes risks to do what Nintendo is doing. They aren't playing it safe, it works sometimes and it bombs other times. That's how companies grow and stay alive.

If Nintendo just made a PS4 Pro clone with a Nintendo skin I don't know how great that console would do. But Reggie giving that parental control BS in rebuttal to Matpat is was terrible. He didn't even address the question... I'll wait until E3 to judge Reggie's 3rd party support claims.

Yeah, he didn't really adress some of the counter arguments, but basically kept the stance that "we want to be innovative".
And I agree that Nintendo have pioneered, or at least standardised, many concepts that we use for gaming today.
I just think there comes a time where the blueprint for how most people want to play games in the long term has mostly been layed out, and adding things like a rumble feature or extra buttons is not as big of an icing on the cake as it used to be when gaming was in a much more primitive state.

That said, is it bad if a company want to focus on a gimmic for just one generation? I see PSVR as a possible example of this. Everyone who's playing RE7 in VR seem to absolutely love it and are raving about it. Maybe people will still be thoroughly entertained by VR come PS5. Or maybe not. But if not, you still have the standard PS4 or PS5 there in case you're not interested, and the PSVR doesn't come at the expense of that experience that you're so used to and love.
That's indeed playing it safe, and that is also why I like the way options are offered on Playstation.



Barkley said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Internet was invented in 1969. So online has been around in some form for nearly 50 years. To answer your question. With the Famicon Modem.

Famicom also had a special unit which allowed you to take screenshots and video.

Wow I'm amazed. I had absolutely no idea this thing existed. It's really confusing how Nintendo could go from being SO far ahead of the times to suddenly seeming like a company that is having trouble keeping up with the modern world in that regards.

I think tha was part of the problem. Because non of those things when they tred become mainstream successes (ie vidoe image capture, online gaming).

They probably thought it would never take off and stppped trying to puh them each gen.

Sayig all that they should have realised in the gamecube era when xbox online took off that the should be focusing on improving the experince. THis has been frustrating. Taking to long to adopt after something has become mainstream.  



 

 

Is this the official Nintendo going third party thread? :)



Gotta love nintendo fans hiding behind daddy PC in the comments. Just like Sony guys did last gen with valve games and mass effect. "Nintendo has games you can't get on other platforms, I can get everything on PC" Instead of acknowledging Nintendo has bad 3rd party.  Anyways, it would be cool to see them go 3rd party IMO since they're good devs and bad hardware manufacturers.  



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