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Will the Scorpio sell for no more than $399 (if its 6Tflops).

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Machiavellian said:
Drakrami said:

Finally, some common sense on the internet. Scorpio is probably MS's last comeback strategy to win back market share. If they failed, they aren't going to focus on the console market anymore. You can always see it in the cards... with the investment they make in gaming developments, they have already streamlined their investment a lot. There has always been rumors that Microsoft wants to drop the console. And Microsoft even openly says Scorpio is the last console generation. 

So they are put in an extremely awkward position with the PS4Pro, at this price point, and this early release date. 

Satya is not going to greenlight Scorpio incurring big losses per console when they are already in such a weak marketshare position. 

Actually there have been rumors that investors wanted MS to drop or spin off the console.  I cannot remember any rumors on MS themselves going down this line.  Do not forget that Satya is looking to make MS a tools and service company.  The Xbox brand is still one of their best devices to deliver the service part.  With that, investment on strengthening the Xbox brand is in their best interest.

 Microsoft's Xbox Live has become the envy of all other online-gaming services. Yet, speculation abounds that Nadella will try to trim the fat at Microsoft and sell off the Xbox division to another company. Xbox doesn't fit into Nadella's vision for Microsoft, reports say, and he's willing to drop the division for the right price. But Nadella should consider such a move carefully. While gaming might not fit into Microsoft's core enterprise software and services business, the Xbox division is too big and too important for Microsoft to sell off even as it tries to move deeper into the mobile hardware market.



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Drakrami said:
Machiavellian said:

Actually there have been rumors that investors wanted MS to drop or spin off the console.  I cannot remember any rumors on MS themselves going down this line.  Do not forget that Satya is looking to make MS a tools and service company.  The Xbox brand is still one of their best devices to deliver the service part.  With that, investment on strengthening the Xbox brand is in their best interest.

 Microsoft's Xbox Live has become the envy of all other online-gaming services. Yet, speculation abounds that Nadella will try to trim the fat at Microsoft and sell off the Xbox division to another company. Xbox doesn't fit into Nadella's vision for Microsoft, reports say, and he's willing to drop the division for the right price. But Nadella should consider such a move carefully. While gaming might not fit into Microsoft's core enterprise software and services business, the Xbox division is too big and too important for Microsoft to sell off even as it tries to move deeper into the mobile hardware market.H

How old is this story.  I remember reading this a long time ago but as stated here its speculation, meaning nothing actuallying coming from Nadella.  From my understanding this is a statement made by some analyst but it had absolutly nothing to do with actual direction or statements from the CEO.   If we take his actual statements then it paints a different picture

“The single biggest digital life category, measured in both time and money spent, in a mobile-first world is gaming,” writes Nadella in the letter, adding that Microsoft is “fortunate” to have the Xbox brand, and that the company “will continue to vigorously innovate and delight gamers with Xbox.”

This link where I got that quote also talks about that statement which really does not prove anything then someone believing they know the direction MS is going instead of actually knowing.

http://time.com/2972888/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-suggests-the-future-of-xbox-could-be-mobile/



Machiavellian said:
Drakrami said:

 Microsoft's Xbox Live has become the envy of all other online-gaming services. Yet, speculation abounds that Nadella will try to trim the fat at Microsoft and sell off the Xbox division to another company. Xbox doesn't fit into Nadella's vision for Microsoft, reports say, and he's willing to drop the division for the right price. But Nadella should consider such a move carefully. While gaming might not fit into Microsoft's core enterprise software and services business, the Xbox division is too big and too important for Microsoft to sell off even as it tries to move deeper into the mobile hardware market.H

How old is this story.  I remember reading this a long time ago but as stated here its speculation, meaning nothing actuallying coming from Nadella.  From my understanding this is a statement made by some analyst but it had absolutly nothing to do with actual direction or statements from the CEO.   If we take his actual statements then it paints a different picture

“The single biggest digital life category, measured in both time and money spent, in a mobile-first world is gaming,” writes Nadella in the letter, adding that Microsoft is “fortunate” to have the Xbox brand, and that the company “will continue to vigorously innovate and delight gamers with Xbox.”

This link where I got that quote also talks about that statement which really does not prove anything then someone believing they know the direction MS is going instead of actually knowing.

http://time.com/2972888/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-suggests-the-future-of-xbox-could-be-mobile/

But more specifically:

 

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella Suggests the Future of Xbox Could Be Mobile


Xbox is not mobile.



LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

How old is this story.  I remember reading this a long time ago but as stated here its speculation, meaning nothing actuallying coming from Nadella.  From my understanding this is a statement made by some analyst but it had absolutly nothing to do with actual direction or statements from the CEO.   If we take his actual statements then it paints a different picture

“The single biggest digital life category, measured in both time and money spent, in a mobile-first world is gaming,” writes Nadella in the letter, adding that Microsoft is “fortunate” to have the Xbox brand, and that the company “will continue to vigorously innovate and delight gamers with Xbox.”

This link where I got that quote also talks about that statement which really does not prove anything then someone believing they know the direction MS is going instead of actually knowing.

http://time.com/2972888/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-suggests-the-future-of-xbox-could-be-mobile/

But more specifically:

 

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella Suggests the Future of Xbox Could Be Mobile


Xbox is not mobile.

Yeah, the Xbox is not mobile but it does deliver their XBL service to the living room which he said is important.  MS is a big company that produce a lot of products.  MS saying that mobile and service are their number one business does not mean they suddently drop windows, keyboard and mice, Server software, Office etc.  



Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:

But more specifically:

 

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella Suggests the Future of Xbox Could Be Mobile


Xbox is not mobile.

Yeah, the Xbox is not mobile but it does deliver their XBL service to the living room which he said is important.  MS is a big company that produce a lot of products.  MS saying that mobile and service are their number one business does not mean they suddently drop windows, keyboard and mice, Server software, Office etc.  

Yeah, but an infrastructure/ecosysem called "Xbox" and a game console are two different things.  Not trying to split hairs, but we have to really see where their console efforts and direction is going after witnessing the success/failure of the Scorpio.



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LivingMetal said:
Machiavellian said:

Yeah, the Xbox is not mobile but it does deliver their XBL service to the living room which he said is important.  MS is a big company that produce a lot of products.  MS saying that mobile and service are their number one business does not mean they suddently drop windows, keyboard and mice, Server software, Office etc.  

Yeah, but an infrastructure/ecosysem called "Xbox" and a game console are two different things.  Not trying to split hairs, but we have to really see where their console efforts and direction is going after witnessing the success/failure of the Scorpio.

With Apple, Sony and Google trying to vie for a strong present within the living room, I would be hard press to believe MS will just give up and throw in the towell.  The Xbox brand is strong and they still need hardware.  Now if MS just create a platform called Xbox with software and hardware specs so third party manufactures can make basically PC solution ala Steam OS then I can see that happening.



Machiavellian said:
LivingMetal said:

Yeah, but an infrastructure/ecosysem called "Xbox" and a game console are two different things.  Not trying to split hairs, but we have to really see where their console efforts and direction is going after witnessing the success/failure of the Scorpio.

With Apple, Sony and Google trying to vie for a strong present within the living room, I would be hard press to believe MS will just give up and throw in the towell.  The Xbox brand is strong and they still need hardware.  Now if MS just create a platform called Xbox with software and hardware specs so third party manufactures can make basically PC solution ala Steam OS then I can see that happening.

I never said that.



exclusive_console said:
Eddie_Raja said:

Then learn how to google.

$110 - 460

$70 - CPU (Athlon x4)

$40 - 8GBRAM 

$45 - mobo

$30 - HDD

$30 - PSU

$30 - Case

 

So that's $355 for a PC 20% stronger than the $300 PS4.  Keep in mind that Sony doesn't need to pay for Windows.  They are making A LOT of money right now.

If you really want a laugh consider this would be almost twice as strong as the $300 X1S...

OS + a controller and all that in a relatively compact box. That takes lot of money to manufacture than you think

To me lot of people expecting a 400$ console are going to disappointed. It is significantly more powerful than Xbone S which is 300$ and I do not think this is dropping to 200$. May be on sale for 250$ for limited time at best

You do understand that Sony is a Hardware company with massive economy of scale... Right?

 

That more than makes up for that extra $50.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Teeqoz said:
You are right, but for the wrong reasons. Moore's law is dead, and has been for a while. However the Scorpio isn't that far above the Pro (same relative difference as the Xbox One to the PS4), so I'd be surprised if they couldn't manage to sell it for 399$ by the time it launches. I don't really understand the people saying 500-600$, that doesn't make sense.

Is it really that small of a difference? Awesome. Won't mind buying the pro at all now.



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

XBox just sells too much for MS to pull the plug.

Even with everything that's gone wrong with the XBox One, it probably still was on track to sell 40+ million, which is as successful as the Sega Genesis, if the Dreamcast had sold 40 million units you can bet your ass Sega would've continued in hardware.

I think MS' best play is to maybe hope the NX falters or is portable centric enough and throw a shit-ton of money at Nintendo and allow Nintendo to take over the XBox console division, while MS can sit back and take over the back end stuff like XBox Live and continue to push the brand.

I think MS likes being in the console business, they just don't like doing all the work that comes with it, and I think they know they need something big to even the odds against Sony. So let Nintendo take over the day-to-day game division operations, help finance the marketing side of it, and use it as a tool to push various Microsoft initiatives. Plus you could get Nintendo support Windows PC store, which would be a huge win for MS over STEAM.

Nintendo could have games on the XBox brand, their NX portable, iPhone, Android, and Windows PC ... but still having control over the XBox and NX hardware lines would allow Nintendo to stay in the hardware business, but get access to huge numbers of gamers else where.

Combined, Nintendo and MS counter-act the others weaknesses too creating a singular entity that is much more competitive in the marketplace.

MS doesn't need the money from the game business, it generates revenue sure, but actual profit margins are thin. It's more of an issue of brand prestige and being able to say "hey look we do other things outside of Windows and Office!".