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Is it?

Yes 85 28.72%
 
NO 183 61.82%
 
Opinion below 8 2.70%
 
other 13 4.39%
 
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I saw this on a license plate today and was mortified!

I cannot believe that some actually believe this.

What do you all think?

I think that America is not just one ideal, but should be a mix of the best way of thinking, religion, race, etc.

So why would it be anti-American?



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'Merica!



             

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
'Merica!


Please. In my threads only post fully realized thought processes that add up to at least a paragraph or more. I would like detailed Abdllah oblongata thesis's on why you think America can never be a Socialist state.



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I think in America, socialism and communism are seen as the same. That's from my UK perspective.

A huge part of America's success is often put down to their strong belief in capitalism and you can see that in its society with higher extremes of wealth compared to many other countries. While I'd like to be rich or middle class perhaps in America, if I had to be poor I'd rather be poor in many countries in Europe and a few other countries around the world.

Politicians in America are funded by the wealthy and corporations. A socialist would be politician who believes in higher taxes and wide distribution of wealth is not going to have any sort of campaign budget.

The one thing I've noticed about politicians though, left-wing or right-wing most are totally useless and corrupt worldwide. People who seek political power are rarely those of integrity or competence.

My idea for a government is a small body of decent fair minded people with integrity and give them the power to make choices for us but surround them with competent and skilled people in economics, manufacturing, finance, construction, social engineering etc who advise them.

Build a strong economic base for a country first (the hard bit) and then spend the money (the much easier bit).



Socialism has already existed in America long before Obama took office. Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and the US military are socialist programs. Republicans have been using "socialism" as a soundbite without even considering what its true definition really is. So yeah, socialism is not anti-American at all.



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It's difficult to answer that, because "socialism" is such a broad term with so many different meanings.

I would say that, at its core, socialism is about state control of the economy and society, and in that case, yes, socialism is un-American, since it is the antithesis of the "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that were the founding ideals of the United States.

Of course, no government of the United States has actually cared about those ideals in the slightest and it's mostly got worse as time has gone on.



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Well, as Kantor pointed out, a definition of socialism for us to go by would allow us to give a better answer. Although I more so feel that the term "Anti-American" is even more vague. So I'll just answer using my own definitions of both terms.

Yes. Freedom, and therefore capitalism, is what Americans feel makes their nation unique (even though the US is no longer the freest or most capitalistic nation). The US became the richest and most powerful nation from capitalism, even if that capitalism was not pure. These capitalistic ambitions a part of American culture, famously called "The American Dream."



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I assume they meant, America as a Welfare state. But not quite sure.



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Aura7541 said:
Socialism has already existed in America long before Obama took office. Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and the US military are socialist programs. Republicans have been using "socialism" as a soundbite without even considering what its true definition really is. So yeah, socialism is not anti-American at all.


US military is a socialist  program?

Communist states, dictatorships, kingdoms, corporatocracies and other more obscure political concepts may have benefits,  health services, pensions etc

Some might say equal access to health services would be the basis of socialist thinking, rather than a tiered system that means those at the bottom may get nothing and those at the top get fantastic health care and there is a sliding scale in between.



Kantor said:
It's difficult to answer that, because "socialism" is such a broad term with so many different meanings.

I would say that, at its core, socialism is about state control of the economy and society, and in that case, yes, socialism is un-American, since it is the antithesis of the "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that were the founding ideals of the United States.

Of course, no government of the United States has actually cared about those ideals in the slightest and it's mostly got worse as time has gone on.


This.

The Founding Fathers definitely wanted to keep control away from the government and in the hands of the people because of their negative experience with government across the pond.

Now technically if the people decided to give their power back to the government, it would still be their choice. An idiotic choice in a lot of circumstances, but a choice none the less.