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sales2099 said:
MoHasanie said:
860K is still fantastic and obviously could've been much higher if they shipped more. Some people here were celebrating as if X1 outsold the PS4 2:1...

To be fair it wasn't expected to outsell it at all.

And most people here live in America. It is a home turf victory. After all, why would a American gamer truly care about sales in a continent they don't live in?

That is simply not true, or rather far from being universally true. PS4>Xb one may have been an expectation of a slight majority of people. But I think it was more the opinion of a very vocal minority. Many of us felt it would be close and could be a small victory to either console. But the main factor was that VGC had Xb one edging PS4, which means the expectations of anyone who is interested in using objective evidence to make predicitons is that Xb one was likely to be the leading nexgen console for December.

Considering that NPD probably only has a 97% confidence the true picture could still be a very slight PS4 win. That is the difference between Xb one and PS4 is not statistically significant at 97% confidence. You need 99% confidence to say the Xb one win isprobably real. But the official number gives it to Xb one, so that's how it is.

So one might say that you merely saying that Xb one wasn't expected to win is an attempt to make a narrow victory seem far more significant and important than it is. This narrow win isn't really significant for Xb one vs. PS4 because factors other than simple consumer preference are at play.

The sales in 2013 have done nothing to indicate which console will ultimately be the leading console in the USA. But it does strongly suggest it won't be a walkover by either one. And one thing is for certain, it won't be 1.6:1 (which is the 360:Ps3 ratio) in favour of Xb one.



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superhippy420 said:
Iwata is a f**king clown. Wii U pulled in 481k in the US, and all the only driving forces behind that was a bundle with a year old game and SM3DW. All the guy had to do was make sure Mario Kart and Donkey Kong were ready for the holiday season and the Wii U most likely would have outsold the PS4 and Xbone. The guy runs a company that has more valuable and great selling properties then any other gaming company on the planet by far, and has found a way to royally screw it up.


That's not "all the guy had to do". Gaming is more then just pressing a button and making a game pop out when you want it to. Mario Kart probably wasn't even done.

That year old game is the sequel to one of the top selling games of the previous generation. SM3DW is the sequel to one of the top seling 3DS games. It's doubtful Mario Kart and Donkey Kong would have made much of a difference, Donkey Kong especially, given that its prequel didn't hold a candle to NSMBWii's sales and NSMBu failed to move Wii U very well at all.

This is about more then software now. It's about the Wii U itself. Whether it's the price, the lack of features, or simply the changes in the marketplace over the last three years, the titles Nintendo provided SHOULD have been more then enough to jumpstart the Wii U's sales. Barring a change in other variables for the better, MK8 and DKRTF won't help much, and rushing them out for a holiday release would have only left 2014 completely barren, which was a major issue in the first half of 2013. Any sales that Nintendo could've made in 2013 with those titles they'll probably make in 2014.



sales2099 said:
MoHasanie said:
860K is still fantastic and obviously could've been much higher if they shipped more. Some people here were celebrating as if X1 outsold the PS4 2:1...

To be fair it wasn't expected to outsell it at all.

And most people here live in America. It is a home turf victory. After all, why would a American gamer truly care about sales in a continent they don't live in?

I dont live in Murica so I dont care that much.



still no 3DS exact numbers?



Soo... It seems I was late to the party.

What's with the graph, though? Not updated?



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So it's like this:
November NPD: ps4
December NPD: XBO
Overall 2013: ps4

Cannot wait for January NPD



Great sales for XBO and PS4. Relatively great sales for 3ds (assuming that it's around 1.1m, still not fantastic since it's down YOY but it's still very good compared to the competition). Relatively OK numbers for wiiU considering that it's a 120% Increase over November. Tons of people thought that it was overtracked. Catastrophic numbers for the vita even for a dead platform, it's just beyond horrible sales level. One can almost question if it will still be on store shelves in 2014.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

Angelv577 said:

So it's like this:
November NPD: ps4
December NPD: XBO
Overall 2013: ps4

Cannot wait for January NPD


Let´s just pretend the 3DS does not exist. 



Hardware summary:

3DS - Best we have right now is ~1.1M

XB1 - 908K

PS4 ~863K

360 - 643K

WIU - 481K

PS3 - 299K

WII ~150K

PSV <95K

Tie ratios/total software:

PS4 retail - 4.2M units - tie ratio 2.10

XB1 retail - 4.8M units - tie ratio 2.64

XB1 retail + digital - tie ratio 2.9 - 5.3M units

Software summary: *Should be LTD unless otherwise specified.

Wii

Just Dance 2014 >800K *December only.

Wii U

Super Mario 3D World >570K

Lego City Undercover - 242K

Pikmin 3 - 210K

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - 93K

Rayman Legends - 88K

Sonic: Lost World - 82K

The Wonderful 101 - 49K

Game & Wario - 36K

Resident Evil: Revelations - 16K

3DS

Pokemon X - 1.63M

Pokemon Y - 1.54M 

Luigi's Mansion 2: Dark Moon >1M

Animal Crossing: New Leaf - 910K

The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds > Super Mario 3D World > 570K

Mario & Luigi: Dream Team - 472K

Donkey Kong Country Returns 3DS - 386K

Fire Emblem: Awakening - 370K

LEGO City 3DS - 365K

Mario Party: Island Tour - 252k

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - 224K

Sonic Lost Worlds 3DS - 97k

Shin Megami Tensei IV - 96K

Project X Zone - 87K

Rune Factory 4 - 47k

Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers - 36K

Etrian Odyssey 4 - 36K

Brain Age - 26K

PS3

Call of Duty: Ghosts < Just Dance 2014 Wii <800K *December only.

The Last of Us - 1473K

God of War: Ascension - 783K

Kingdom Hearts 1.5HD - 438K

Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch - 329K

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time - 208K

Beyond: Two Souls - 202K

Gran Turismo 6 <180K

Tales of Xillia - 156K

Resident Evil: Revelations - 53K

Rayman Legends - 30K

Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F - 16K

PS4

Call of Duty: Ghosts >800K

Battlefield 4 - between 550K and 600K

Assassin's Creed 4 - between 500K and 550K

NBA 2K14 - between 400K and 450K

Killzone Shadowfall - between 400K and 450K

Madden NFL 25 - between 350K and 400K

Need for Speed - between 250K and 300K

FIFA 14 - between 200K and 250K

Knack - between 150K and 200K

Lego Marvel Superheroes - between 

PSV

Killzone: Mercenaries - 102K

Soul Sacrifice - 72K

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time - 67k

Tearaway -50K

Rayman Legends - 20k

Xbox 360

Minecraft - 1862K

Gears of War: Judgement - 764K

Resident Evil: Revelations - 55K

Rayman Legends - 42K

Xbox One

Call of Duty: Ghosts - between 800K and 900K

Battlefield 4 - between 550K and 650K

Dead Rising 3 - 526K 

Forze Motorsport 5 - 457K (>500K with special editions)

Ryse - 431K

Madden NFL 25 - between 350K and 400K

Assassin's Creed 4 - between 350K and 400K

NBA 2K14 - between 200K and 350K

FIFA 14 - between 150K and 200K

Need for Speed - between 100K and 150K

Lego Marvel Superheroes - between 100K and 150K

Just Dance 2014 - between 100K and 150K

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OP is finally all updated!