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sales2099 said:
PhoenixKing said:
sales2099 said:
 

I thought I thoroughly went through why your method of complaining about things beyond your control and having a glass-half-empty mindset is only going to negatively impact the rest of your life. Also that the point is to work for the good things in life, no matter how much or little time you make for it.Seeing your response to Jay, you clearly want to have a "pity party"....only hearing others who agree with you and are unwilling to hear people tell you to do better.

I said I work to provide for my future family. No sense of commitment. Only the notion to give them a comfortable life that I feel they deserve. I wouldn't push my work ethic on my future kids and would never use my jobs as a arguing point against my kids. What a ludicrous thought and how dare you assume I would share that mindset.

I am not more special or moral. But I will say I do what I can in this world to give myself and my loved ones a good life. Complaining gets you nowhere. I keep any stress to myself and never take it out on others because they don't deserve it and it is my choice and therefore all on me. I also never mentioned religion. You just assumed I will be a dick to my kids and work hard because I will go to heaven when I die. Sorry, but it is really quite simple: I work alot to provide for the ones I love. Nothing more. "Boohoo 3rd world countries". wow.......talk about taking things for granted.

I noticed you mentioend origionally you worked as a paralegal and now work as a door to door salesman. Thats quite a career shift. Now I can't know what caused this......problem with authority? But clearly you had something and lost it. Makes me wonder if your outlook/attitude had something to do with it. If so.....it pays to be nice to your superiors. Otherwise, you tend to look for other jobs......

"You realize that I thoroughly went through why this is wrong, right?" Oh because to me you don't sound happier, more successful, and with a better outlook on life? Please re-evaluate your definition of "wrong". Don't mean to sound superior, but that comment you said in the face of me genuinely trying to talk to you did prompt me to say this.

In the end, my story did have a moral: work towards a greater goal and change your damn outlook.


And yet it was nihilists and haters like George Washington, John Locke, Abraham Lincoln, Nikolai Tesla, and Albert Einstein who made the greatest changes to improve upon prosperity and lifestyle. Funny that. 

That is a terrible response. Didn't address anything I said. Jay520 is only proving further how your own mindset is your worst enemy.

Change your outlook and find something positive to work toward. You are not those historic figures. It is like someone dropping out of college because Steve Jobs did it back in the day. I can tell you are not among those figures. Therefore your sentiment rings hollow.


So success and failure of a person is what defines whether they espouse fact or fiction? What a nice - i.e. pathetic - ad hominem that you've made for yourself to filter out the facts you don't like hearing. 



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It's all true what you said but believe it or not. You can live without money and people do. Also, we are too obsessed with material goods and money. As much as we fight things, we might as well just choose to not follow rather it than fight it. Capitalism itself is as flawed as anything and is ultimately destroying society and the Earth because of the wanting of things over the need of things and a lack of appreciation of what we have. I somehow feel the native americans and other aborigines had the lifestyle right all along.

I do wonder alot who decided that a bit of paper is worth something above anything else? Why can't we create our own jobs and sustain ourselves? Who decides a value on anything to be honest? I'm going deep here but i'm just questioning everything that is established in society.

I do like to have a positive outlook regardless of the shitty present but is there a reason why we rely on companies and governments for our outlook. They are doing fuck all so it's time to look after ourselves. 

For example, in Argentina about 10 years ago there was an economic crash. Many jobs were lost and many factories, hotels etc closed. But ordinary working people took it among themselves to take over and alot was achieved.

Watch this ~http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxW4xDq_eE



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PhoenixKing said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
#DealWithIt


At this point, I'd rather just die. It's not like any of that work ever even had a point or purpose to begin with. 

Dude you live on the greatest country on earth. There are opportunities out there if you're willing to work hard and get a college degree you can do something you love and make a decent living. I know you're probably at rock bottom in your life and you feel hopeless but things could always be worse. You have to look at the positives man. I'm going to college for Psychology because I love to help people. Maybe you can do something to give you that sense of self worth and achievement.



Dmick90 said:
PhoenixKing said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
#DealWithIt


At this point, I'd rather just die. It's not like any of that work ever even had a point or purpose to begin with. 

Dude you live on the greatest country on earth. There are opportunities out there if you're willing to work hard and get a college degree you can do something you love and make a decent living. I know you're probably at rock bottom in your life and you feel hopeless but things could always be worse. You have to look at the positives man. I'm going to college for Psychology because I love to help people. Maybe you can do something to give you that sense of self worth and achievement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUgj3Y2E18



PhoenixKing said:

What, you're an automated spam machine now?


Are you going to respond to opposing arguments or continue to ignore them?



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PhoenixKing said:
Rpruett said:
The world isn't fair. There isn't a 'system' in the world that actually is capable of balancing everything out, blaming capitalism which has easily been the most successful system to date seems utterly retarded to me.

Ideally, everyone should just co-exist and the guy picking up the garbage is the same as the guy who performs brain surgery or the guy who lays bricks for the house. Everyone could fulfill a role and would be equals. The problem is and always will be that we all know that the three positions and the requirements to perform the jobs aren't the same. For example, 90% of people on the planet could probably 'pick up garbage but only 5% might be able to perform brain surgery.

Capitalism has plenty of flaws, but the reason why capitalism works is the ability to have mobility in your personal career path, the ability to become a creator or a producer rather than just another cog in the wheel. Create your own business, create your own ideas, make your own way.


That doesn't work. When the economy goes down, there's too few opportunities and jobs out there and the entire expanse goes down too. This is why we had the Great Depression and the more recent market crash. It scares the entire herd because they know it effects them too. 

What doesn't work?   What I described above was essentially communism. Where we would be without classes and society would be based on need.  The problem is, humans aren't robots and every role and career path is different.  In robots, this is a very efficient and logical form of operation though.  I know it doesn't work as I mentioned in my comment.   My point was, that while capitalism has it's flaws it has proven to be one of the best ways to allow someone to control their destiny and ultimately better their life if the desire and determination are there.

 In your case,  why are you working in various jobs in a variety of fields?  Do you have an education?  Why not pursue something you truly love and enjoy and then simply not care about money?  Why does other people's desires have an effect on your personal happiness?   

You seem like you need to be medicated because you've got a supreme case of depression.  You literally don't **like** the world.  Either work to change it, or stop complaining and get medication for the depression.  



Rpruett said:
PhoenixKing said:
Rpruett said:
The world isn't fair. There isn't a 'system' in the world that actually is capable of balancing everything out, blaming capitalism which has easily been the most successful system to date seems utterly retarded to me.

Ideally, everyone should just co-exist and the guy picking up the garbage is the same as the guy who performs brain surgery or the guy who lays bricks for the house. Everyone could fulfill a role and would be equals. The problem is and always will be that we all know that the three positions and the requirements to perform the jobs aren't the same. For example, 90% of people on the planet could probably 'pick up garbage but only 5% might be able to perform brain surgery.

Capitalism has plenty of flaws, but the reason why capitalism works is the ability to have mobility in your personal career path, the ability to become a creator or a producer rather than just another cog in the wheel. Create your own business, create your own ideas, make your own way.


That doesn't work. When the economy goes down, there's too few opportunities and jobs out there and the entire expanse goes down too. This is why we had the Great Depression and the more recent market crash. It scares the entire herd because they know it effects them too. 

What doesn't work?   What I described above was essentially communism. Where we would be without classes and society would be based on need.  The problem is, humans aren't robots and every role and career path is different.  In robots, this is a very efficient and logical form of operation though.  I know it doesn't work as I mentioned in my comment.   My point was, that while capitalism has it's flaws it has proven to be one of the best ways to allow someone to control their destiny and ultimately better their life if the desire and determination are there.

 In your case,  why are you working in various jobs in a variety of fields?  Do you have an education?  Why not pursue something you truly love and enjoy and then simply not care about money?  Why does other people's desires have an effect on your personal happiness?   

You seem like you need to be medicated because you've got a supreme case of depression.  You literally don't **like** the world.  Either work to change it, or stop complaining and get medication for the depression.  

You know nothing about depression and like talking out of your ass, huh?



I kind of agree with your analysis of the system, although I kind of disagree in terms of the H&S. I mean I am from UK and they seem to have slightly more vigorous systems in place to ensure that the standards are followed than maybe in US. But US is a prime example of capitalism at its finest/worst, you decide. I personally don't like the capitalist system any more than you do, but at the end of the day - that's what people are doing so you might as well adapt the best you could to get the best you want.
Greed is the basic human emotion that everyone feels, therefore systems like this will always exist, if you want some sort of utopia maybe where everyone cares about each other and ensures that the need of human beings come first, it might be better to join an Amish community or something (Srs face here), because even the supposed socialism didn't work, millions still died as a result of the system's lack of care and it won't get any better even if the supposed communism does take effect, millions will die for the need of few, just like in capitalism.

There is no optimal system or society, it will always be like this. Adapt. As someone has pointed out before be grateful that you were born in a country that allows you to do what you want rather than in a country which constricts you and prevents your development.



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NotStan said:
I kind of agree with your analysis of the system, although I kind of disagree in terms of the H&S. I mean I am from UK and they seem to have slightly more vigorous systems in place to ensure that the standards are followed than maybe in US. But US is a prime example of capitalism at its finest/worst, you decide. I personally don't like the capitalist system any more than you do, but at the end of the day - that's what people are doing so you might as well adapt the best you could to get the best you want.
Greed is the basic human emotion that everyone feels, therefore systems like this will always exist, if you want some sort of utopia maybe where everyone cares about each other and ensures that the need of human beings come first, it might be better to join an Amish community or something (Srs face here), because even the supposed socialism didn't work, millions still died as a result of the system's lack of care and it won't get any better even if the supposed communism does take effect, millions will die for the need of few, just like in capitalism.

There is no optimal system or society, it will always be like this. Adapt. As someone has pointed out before be grateful that you were born in a country that allows you to do what you want rather than in a country which constricts you and prevents your development.

It does construct your development through high school though. You're led to believe 'greatest country in the world' as if that's an actual thing and the moment you point to different reasons and facts for why that's untrue it's blah blah blah depression and blah blah blah greatest country. Every country tells itself it's the greatest. What they're really say is they believe they're better than all foreigners. 

Also, how is capitalism good or even workable? There is literally an economic crash every 20 years. They call it 'downturn' but people who pay attention know what it really means. If Bush Sr. hadn't raised taxes, our economy would have tanked in the late 80s - early 90s. So really, how the hell is capitalism workable anymore? 



PhoenixKing said:
sales2099 said:
 

That is a terrible response. Didn't address anything I said. Jay520 is only proving further how your own mindset is your worst enemy.

Change your outlook and find something positive to work toward. You are not those historic figures. It is like someone dropping out of college because Steve Jobs did it back in the day. I can tell you are not among those figures. Therefore your sentiment rings hollow.


So success and failure of a person is what defines whether they espouse fact or fiction? What a nice - i.e. pathetic - ad hominem that you've made for yourself to filter out the facts you don't like hearing. 

Your changing the subject. You are clearly ignoring what me and Jay are telling you, and have exposed your negative/flawed thinking.

Why bother, you just want to complain, with no plan to do better and blame everybody and everything but yourself.

The below video describes you, and hope you learn something from it.



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