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deskpro2k3 said:
Selling off assets they don't need is good in the long run. Anything they don't need just leeches money away that can be put to better use.

Surely Kaz have a plan to dominate the world.

This has nothing to do with "Selling off assets they don't need". Obviously those employees need some place to work. Here is the whole problem explained for those who don't get it. Sony, like many other japanese TV makers, has too many plants and overproduces TVs that are too expensive. They also have a building full of employees that are part of the TV selling business group. Now in America, the solution is always the same : Fire the employees and shut down the plants as needed, within 15 minute's notices. In Japan, it is completely impossible to fire people (technically you can, but you have to pay their salaries until retirement. This has lead to an institution called "window jobs"). Combine that with a foreigner as ceo (Stringer, whose underlings seem to have apparently worked against him as rumours are fircling around),  Sony has, in the past years, fired every person and plant they could _outside_ of Japan (the console group in my country is history in a few weeks from now, so this is still going on). At this point, Sony is pretty much stripped bare outside of Japan. Enter Kaz Hirai, the Uebermensch as some think here he is, and guess what - not even Kaz has any solutions to the fundamental problem. There is no Kaz Superplan. I'm with Kowenicki this time (rare occasion I should add), Hirai is just buying time for himself by selling the table silver, and hoping that the problem slowly goes away over the next years while burning through the money for the two buildings (5000 employees means about 150-250 employees less per year through retirement and other causes). In the end, I see for the first time a Japanese company gutting Japanese plants and firing Japanese employees wholesale, because Sony does not have enough table silver to hunger through the losses (mainly from the TV business).



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Kynes said:
Chark said:


There is a divide between what Kowen says and how people react to him. His words are harsh and hard to react to properly even if his responders have an understanding of the subject. People really just don't want reminders of Sony's bad position, especially when they take measures that might alter that. To many it just seems people are damning Sony for past errors and being overly critical of any decision they make. It's a touchy issue at least.

We have some people here who defend anything that Sony does, whatever is the result. The same people who defended Sony decisions on PS3 (Cell and Blu Ray) and now are defending Sony decisions on PS4 (Off the shelf components and PC-lite architecture), and are the same people who don't want anyone to remember them that Sony misbehaves have consequences. They are the same people who want more powerful hardware at cheaper prices, the ones out of touch, and anyone who remembers them this is a hater and harsh. Living in a bubble won't change the reality.

What's wrong with PS4's hardware? Or are you just pointing out the flip-flop? There are some of those yes, but not every Sony fan was a big fan of Cell. Impressive concept CPU at the time, not a good choice outside of a server room.



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Chark said:
Kynes said:
Chark said:


There is a divide between what Kowen says and how people react to him. His words are harsh and hard to react to properly even if his responders have an understanding of the subject. People really just don't want reminders of Sony's bad position, especially when they take measures that might alter that. To many it just seems people are damning Sony for past errors and being overly critical of any decision they make. It's a touchy issue at least.

We have some people here who defend anything that Sony does, whatever is the result. The same people who defended Sony decisions on PS3 (Cell and Blu Ray) and now are defending Sony decisions on PS4 (Off the shelf components and PC-lite architecture), and are the same people who don't want anyone to remember them that Sony misbehaves have consequences. They are the same people who want more powerful hardware at cheaper prices, the ones out of touch, and anyone who remembers them this is a hater and harsh. Living in a bubble won't change the reality.

What's wrong with PS4's hardware? Or are you just pointing out the flip-flop? There are some of those yes, but not every Sony fan was a big fan of Cell. Impressive concept CPU at the time, not a good choice outside of a server room.

Come on Chark, you must be new on the forums or want to rewrite the history. The C3ll bullshit was all over the place, and it was the most prominent weapon used by Sony fans on the fanboy wars. Some even said it was going to cure Cancer with the folding at home client, that I'm sure 99% of PS3 owners never downloaded or booted. I remember how Mike.B posts were celebrated and anyone who tried to confront his lies was a hater.

Most Sony fans drank the cool-aid of Cell, and drink the cool-aid of everything that Kaz does is good.



Kynes said:
hark said:

What's wrong with PS4's hardware? Or are you just pointing out the flip-flop? There are some of those yes, but not every Sony fan was a big fan of Cell. Impressive concept CPU at the time, not a good choice outside of a server room.

Come on Chark, you must be new on the forums or want to rewrite the history. The C3ll bullshit was all over the place, and it was the most prominent weapon used by sony fans on the fanboy wars. Some even said it was going to cure Cancer with the folding at home client, that I'm sure 99% of PS3 owners never downloaded or booted.


I'm sure it was ridiculous, but I wasn't here. I just took the fanboy lashings from the 360 crowd in real life at a college campus. I didn't get a current gen console till 2010 and I did download and use Folding@Home.



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Things are getting tight for Sony, i hope this was a wise decision for them or else it's over...



Kynes said:
Chark said:
happydolphin said:

I can agree with that to an extent, but Kowen was bringing up points others wouldn't dream of even being able of thinking that far. For instance, after reading the article carefully (which I know you have because I know you're a good user), it's true that they now have to pay rent and it makes you wonder how that will cost them in the long run. Kowen may come from the perspective that it's hurting them, then I brought up the point that it's a lesser evil because they get some short-term cash they can use.

I agree Kowen can be negative about these things but it's a far cry from saying he wasn't insightful or at least to a certain measure reasonably critical about it. Problem is, to those people I confronted, all they see is "He's critical" or "He's too positive about it", instead of looking at the points people actually raised which are interesting for some of us who visit vgchartz for business discussion in the gaming market.


There is a divide between what Kowen says and how people react to him. His words are harsh and hard to react to properly even if his responders have an understanding of the subject. People really just don't want reminders of Sony's bad position, especially when they take measures that might alter that. To many it just seems people are damning Sony for past errors and being overly critical of any decision they make. It's a touchy issue at least.

We have some people here who defend anything that Sony does, whatever is the result. The same people who defended Sony decisions on PS3 (Cell and Blu Ray) and now are defending Sony decisions on PS4 (Off the shelf components and PC-lite architecture), and are the same people who don't want anyone to remember them that Sony misbehaves have consequences. They are the same people who want more powerful hardware at cheaper prices, the ones out of touch, and anyone who remembers them this is a hater and harsh. Living in a bubble won't change the reality.

Is there anyone here still that defends the cell, aside from possibly turkish? 



drkohler said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Selling off assets they don't need is good in the long run. Anything they don't need just leeches money away that can be put to better use.

Surely Kaz have a plan to dominate the world.

This has nothing to do with "Selling off assets they don't need". Obviously those employees need some place to work. Here is the whole problem explained for those who don't get it. Sony, like many other japanese TV makers, has too many plants and overproduces TVs that are too expensive.


How is this different to what I said?



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Sal.Paradise said:
Kynes said:
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We have some people here who defend anything that Sony does, whatever is the result. The same people who defended Sony decisions on PS3 (Cell and Blu Ray) and now are defending Sony decisions on PS4 (Off the shelf components and PC-lite architecture), and are the same people who don't want anyone to remember them that Sony misbehaves have consequences. They are the same people who want more powerful hardware at cheaper prices, the ones out of touch, and anyone who remembers them this is a hater and harsh. Living in a bubble won't change the reality.

Is there anyone here still that defends the cell, aside from possibly turkish? 

Now it's not the time to defend the cell, when even Sony has publicly accepted during the PS4 event that it was an horrible decision.



Kynes said:
Sal.Paradise said:
Kynes said:
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We have some people here who defend anything that Sony does, whatever is the result. The same people who defended Sony decisions on PS3 (Cell and Blu Ray) and now are defending Sony decisions on PS4 (Off the shelf components and PC-lite architecture), and are the same people who don't want anyone to remember them that Sony misbehaves have consequences. They are the same people who want more powerful hardware at cheaper prices, the ones out of touch, and anyone who remembers them this is a hater and harsh. Living in a bubble won't change the reality.

Is there anyone here still that defends the cell, aside from possibly turkish? 

Now it's not the time to defend the cell, when even Sony has publicly accepted during the PS4 event that it was an horrible decision.

Hmm, ok I'll rephrase.

Was there anyone here, just before "Sony....publicly accepted during the PS4 event that it was an horrible decision." that still defended the cell, aside from possibly turkish?