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Which presidential candidate will you vote for?

Barack Obama 356 55.89%
 
Mitt Romney 137 21.51%
 
Gary Johnson 38 5.97%
 
Jill Stein 15 2.35%
 
Somebody else 87 13.66%
 
Total:633
Max King of the Wild said:
ECM said:
Soleron said:
Can someone who voted Romney in the poll seriously explain why they did so?

Yes, in very simple terms: nobody would re-hire someone for a contract job that didn't actually manage to fulfill the terms of his contract.*

And no, I don't care about the excuses just like i wouldn't care about them from someone I paid to do my roof--you either get the job done, or you don't. If you don't, don't expect me to hire you for more work.

The end.

P.S. If I have to explain it any better than that, you're not listening or, more likely, don't want to listen.

*Except those blinded by ideology.


Obama was never qualified for the job. I don't even understand what gave him the idea he could actually win before he made the decision to do so... but he did through abiguity and charisma which should have never been enough. In your terms voting for Obama was like hiring an nieghboorhood handyman to redo your roof.

That's an incredibly oversimplistic reason for why Obama won. Yeah, his charisma helped, but it doesn't change the fact that both 2006 and 2008 were poor years to run as a Republican because of negative evaluation of the Republican party and Bush administration (primarily on the Iraq War and economy). This is why you saw McCain trying to distance himself from Bush, as well as from the Republicans (think about the "maverick" line).

If you want to criticize ambiguity, Republican candidates are almost always more ambiguous. They tend to run on more abstract/general ideas (smaller government) while Democrats tend to run on more specific policies (reforming healthcare). Just as a note, this isn't because one party is objectively better than another, it has to do with how the public understands liberalism and conservatism. You've probably heard the line that people want to decrease spending/taxes, but they also consistently support more government spending on specific programs. Dems and Reps. just empasize different aspects of this paradox.



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yum123 said:
I dont live in the US but go Obama and I think its fair to say most people outside the US are voting him aswell. we dont want WW3

Funny things is, I doubt Americans really care whether the rest of the world wants Obama or Romney to win. It made me think of the whole Olympic issue with Romney criticizing how London was handling the Olympics. The news media covered it like crazy, but I seriously doubt whether it changed how any American viewed Romney. As you can see, its hardly an issue now.



Gary Johnson by a landslide. But if I had to pick between Obomney I'd pick Mitt since he's ever so slightly more conservative and I know that Obama would be 4 more years of continued failure.



GameOver22 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
ECM said:
Soleron said:
Can someone who voted Romney in the poll seriously explain why they did so?

Yes, in very simple terms: nobody would re-hire someone for a contract job that didn't actually manage to fulfill the terms of his contract.*

And no, I don't care about the excuses just like i wouldn't care about them from someone I paid to do my roof--you either get the job done, or you don't. If you don't, don't expect me to hire you for more work.

The end.

P.S. If I have to explain it any better than that, you're not listening or, more likely, don't want to listen.

*Except those blinded by ideology.


Obama was never qualified for the job. I don't even understand what gave him the idea he could actually win before he made the decision to do so... but he did through abiguity and charisma which should have never been enough. In your terms voting for Obama was like hiring an nieghboorhood handyman to redo your roof.

That's an incredibly oversimplistic reason for why Obama won. Yeah, his charisma helped, but it doesn't change the fact that both 2006 and 2008 were poor years to run as a Republican because of negative evaluation of the Republican party and Bush administration (primarily on the Iraq War and economy). This is why you saw McCain trying to distance himself from Bush, as well as from the Republicans (think about the "maverick" line).

If you want to criticize ambiguity, Republican candidates are almost always more ambiguous. They tend to run on more abstract/general ideas (smaller government) while Democrats tend to run on more specific policies (reforming healthcare). Just as a note, this isn't because one party is objectively better than another, it has to do with how the public understands liberalism and conservatism. You've probably heard the line that people want to decrease spending/taxes, but they also consistently support more government spending on specific programs. Dems and Reps. just empasize different aspects of this paradox.

You seem to have added a qualification in my post that wasn't there... You speak about Obama vs McCain but in order for that to have been a possibility certain events had to happen before... ones that have no involvement of the Republican party



Soleron said:
ECM said:
Soleron said:
Can someone who voted Romney in the poll seriously explain why they did so?

Yes, in very simple terms: nobody would re-hire someone for a contract job that didn't actually manage to fulfill the terms of his contract.*

And no, I don't care about the excuses just like i wouldn't care about them from someone I paid to do my roof--you either get the job done, or you don't. If you don't, don't expect me to hire you for more work.

The end.

P.S. If I have to explain it any better than that, you're not listening or, more likely, don't want to listen.

*Except those blinded by ideology.

I understand perfectly why someone wouldn't want Obama back.

However why are you voting FOR Romney?

I wouldn't vote for Romney.  Even so I can see a lot of reasons you would vote for him... off the top of my head.

Economics.  He has a much better grip of it then Obama.  For example, his often untalked about plan to remove capital gains taxes for anyone who makes under 250,000.  Which you would think would greatly increase the personal investment rate, which currently happens to be the area of GDP that we're really lacking in.

He was govonor of Massachuteses - Which shows that he actually knows how to compromise and accomplish legislation with bipratisian support. 

While he agreed with Obama's drone policy he didn't seem overly agressive on it.  Makes me think it might be a poltiical move.  Since by all accounts Mitt Romney is a devout mormon.   So there is at least a chance that he would run a less awful drone campaign then Obama... and hoenstly, it'd be damn near impossible to run a drone campaign that was any worse.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/what-if-mitt-romney-inherits-obamas-killer-drone-fleet/263977/

He's more likely to fix medicare/social security/welfare.

He's more likely to stop the country from going over "The fiscal cliff".

He's more likely to remove the negative parts of regulations while keeping the positive aspects of them.

He wants to simplify the tax codes by getting rid fo a lot of deductions... espiecally evening them in the buisness sector so that all buisnesses play by the same rules.

He's more likely to reduce the deficit, by a small inconsquetential amount... but it would be less small and inconsequential then Obama.

Romney actually probably would close guantanom bay, because Democrats would be mad at him if he didn't....

and the biggest one....


all the neoconservative bullshit stuff that Obama does would get called on by democrats if Romney was doing it instead of them "backing up their guy" and having zero party for civil liberties.

I mean hell, the guy just signed a bill that allows american citizens to be detained INDEFINITLY if they are "suspected of terrorism" and nobody even remotely mentions this.

Reasons that qualify you for being suspected of being a terrorist?   Missing fingers is one... so I guess there will be a lot of shop teacher jobs open.

Having more then a months worth of food.  Guess they're just going to have the CIA arrest everyone who shops at Costco.



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I love Obama, wish there was a candidate like him in my country - personally I think he reflects a kind of honesty very rare on politicians.

Watched all debates (last one not completely) but if I was american, definitely Obama.



Max King of the Wild said:
GameOver22 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
ECM said:
Soleron said:
Can someone who voted Romney in the poll seriously explain why they did so?

Yes, in very simple terms: nobody would re-hire someone for a contract job that didn't actually manage to fulfill the terms of his contract.*

And no, I don't care about the excuses just like i wouldn't care about them from someone I paid to do my roof--you either get the job done, or you don't. If you don't, don't expect me to hire you for more work.

The end.

P.S. If I have to explain it any better than that, you're not listening or, more likely, don't want to listen.

*Except those blinded by ideology.


Obama was never qualified for the job. I don't even understand what gave him the idea he could actually win before he made the decision to do so... but he did through abiguity and charisma which should have never been enough. In your terms voting for Obama was like hiring an nieghboorhood handyman to redo your roof.

That's an incredibly oversimplistic reason for why Obama won. Yeah, his charisma helped, but it doesn't change the fact that both 2006 and 2008 were poor years to run as a Republican because of negative evaluation of the Republican party and Bush administration (primarily on the Iraq War and economy). This is why you saw McCain trying to distance himself from Bush, as well as from the Republicans (think about the "maverick" line).

If you want to criticize ambiguity, Republican candidates are almost always more ambiguous. They tend to run on more abstract/general ideas (smaller government) while Democrats tend to run on more specific policies (reforming healthcare). Just as a note, this isn't because one party is objectively better than another, it has to do with how the public understands liberalism and conservatism. You've probably heard the line that people want to decrease spending/taxes, but they also consistently support more government spending on specific programs. Dems and Reps. just empasize different aspects of this paradox.

You seem to have added a qualification in my post that wasn't there... You speak about Obama vs McCain but in order for that to have been a possibility certain events had to happen before... ones that have no involvement of the Republican party

Huh? I think your reading too much into my post. I was just arguing that Obama did not win solely because of his charisma and ambiguity. There are much more prominent things at work when looking at election results, whether at the primary or general election level.



gergroy said:
I have been undecided mostly because i dislike all the choices. However, I have decided I am going to be one of those people that votes against somebody instead of for them. So i have decided to vote for Mitt Romney.

My reasons mostly stem from the early portion of Obamas term when he had a super majority in congress. The economy was in the tank and instead of working on that, he pushed for healthcare that ultimately ends up being a large tax on small businesses. He also didnt bother with bipartisan efforts during this time either.

Basically, I dont like how obama handled his term, and im not a fan of Romney, but I think it I would rather see somebody else get a chance then another term of Obama.

A little caveat here, I live in Utah so my vote doesnt actually matter. Utah will go for romney by over 70%...

I get your cause but atleast vote for rocky anderson or some one worthy of your vote. Jill stein. Waste it in a meaningful way. Now if you where in a swing state I would say think about the supreme court. They have life long terms. Don't allow mitt to destroy us with more reckless judges.



GameOver22 said:
gergroy said:
Augen said:
klystron said:

Thank you for reminding people of something Obama would like us all to forget... his two years with a supermajority and getting only health care done. He can't blame the Republicans for an "obstructionist" congress when they had no power. In fact, there has not been a budget passed in Obama's presidency. This is a first. So yeah, you can blame the GOP for the last two years... but in the first two years they did nothing, either.

Just to clarify.  Minority still has fillibuster as mechanism to stop legislation, you need 60 seats in the senate all on the same page to force through bills.  Minority has not been powerless.

They had that until ted kennedy died... That is why it is called a super majority...

The Democrats actually never had a supermajority, unless we're thinking of different elections. The split was 57-41 if you include the independents who caucused with the Dems as Dems.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2008&f=0&off=3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2008

No, the 57 to 41 is without including the independents, who are both actually democrats anyway.  So dems had 59 to 41, then a couple months after the election arlen spectre of pensylvania switched to democrat, giving democrats a super majority.

Edit: i see where you are getting your numbers, after the election there were two disputed seats, minesota that was too close to call, but went democrat, and obamas seat that was appointed by the impeached governor of illinois that was somewhat disputed. Either way, a few months into the term, democrats stood at 60 to 40 seats. 



GameOver22 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
GameOver22 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
ECM said:
Soleron said:
Can someone who voted Romney in the poll seriously explain why they did so?

Yes, in very simple terms: nobody would re-hire someone for a contract job that didn't actually manage to fulfill the terms of his contract.*

And no, I don't care about the excuses just like i wouldn't care about them from someone I paid to do my roof--you either get the job done, or you don't. If you don't, don't expect me to hire you for more work.

The end.

P.S. If I have to explain it any better than that, you're not listening or, more likely, don't want to listen.

*Except those blinded by ideology.


Obama was never qualified for the job. I don't even understand what gave him the idea he could actually win before he made the decision to do so... but he did through abiguity and charisma which should have never been enough. In your terms voting for Obama was like hiring an nieghboorhood handyman to redo your roof.

That's an incredibly oversimplistic reason for why Obama won. Yeah, his charisma helped, but it doesn't change the fact that both 2006 and 2008 were poor years to run as a Republican because of negative evaluation of the Republican party and Bush administration (primarily on the Iraq War and economy). This is why you saw McCain trying to distance himself from Bush, as well as from the Republicans (think about the "maverick" line).

If you want to criticize ambiguity, Republican candidates are almost always more ambiguous. They tend to run on more abstract/general ideas (smaller government) while Democrats tend to run on more specific policies (reforming healthcare). Just as a note, this isn't because one party is objectively better than another, it has to do with how the public understands liberalism and conservatism. You've probably heard the line that people want to decrease spending/taxes, but they also consistently support more government spending on specific programs. Dems and Reps. just empasize different aspects of this paradox.

You seem to have added a qualification in my post that wasn't there... You speak about Obama vs McCain but in order for that to have been a possibility certain events had to happen before... ones that have no involvement of the Republican party

Huh? I think your reading too much into my post. I was just arguing that Obama did not win solely because of his charisma and ambiguity. There are much more prominent things at work when looking at election results, whether at the primary or general election level.


But you isolated the presidential election. I was talking about the whole process for Obama. Including being named the Democratic nominee. You say there were more prominent things at work but only list the republican party's image... How did he win the nomination?  None of those people were republicans. What made him stand out from the rest was his charisma