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Louie 13 hours ago
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xl-klaudkil said:
Louie said:

lol, I don't think so. I highly doubt they manufactured like four million consoles they didn't ship. Neither did Sony with the PS2. I guess we're talking about less than a 1 million difference between "manufactured but not shipped" and "shipped to actual retailers with the intent to be sold to actual customers". All I'm saying is Nintendo is counting sales to retailers, whereas Sony seems to have included things like demo consoles, etc. and now gives the total number of units manufactured / produced, if the comments in this thread are correct (I'm not an expert myself). And that's a bit curious, because one would assume that for all of their other consoles Sony also counts "shipped to retailers".

Have any actuall proof for that? 

As I said multiple times in my post (see bolded parts), I'm just going off what people in this thread are saying and my gut feeling. My only definitive statement was "Nintendo is tracking shipped consoles", which was an answer to your "the same goes for Nintendo" comment. If Sony actually counts all consoles they ever produced (including ones that ended up as demo units, etc.) in their number, then it wouldn't be an apples to apples comparison. But I don't know if they do (as I said). I'm also pretty sure every manufacturer uses sell-in numbers these days, so I don't think there needs to be any proof for that.

I think my comment came across to you more "Sony-negative" than intended. As I said, the number of demo units or units that otherwise would've been manufactured but not sold to retailers is most likely not in the 4 million range. That's just my opinion (as I stated) but to me, a statement like "Sony counted four million consoles that weren't shipped to retailers or customers" sounds extraordinarily excessive. 

A funny outcome for this would be for the Switch to land right in the grey-zone of possible PS2 sales, so we can discuss this forever lol. It would be a bit like in Formula 1 where people can forever debate whether Schumacher or Hamilton is the GOAT.