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Manlytears 3 days ago
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JoaoGrossi said:
Manlytears said:

Yamauchi >

limited N64 tech restricting games to 4~64MB. He also lost the support of most third-party developers due to the cost of the cartridges. 

Kutaragi >

created a monstrosity that was very expensive and displeased the developers.

Most games ran better on the Xbox 360. Plus, the PS3 came out a entire year late.

Don Mattrick >

They produced a console that was more expensive and less powerful than the competition.

They also incurred the community's wrath with DRM—a move Sony immediately rejected.

They failed to deliver good games, while PlayStation became the most awarded publisher of the last 13 years.

Now... Please, where is PS6 problem?

Last I checked: Sony remains the leading publisher in terms of awards over the last 5 to 10 years—the one behind some of the most highly anticipated games.

Leaks suggest the PS6 will be cheaper than the next Xbox.

Third-party relationships remain fantastic.

Nintendo targets a different market niche.

In the instances cited, a major blunder gave a huge advantage to a rival... people here want to believe the PS6 is doomed, but they forget that no rival has managed to gain a significant edge over Sony.

Where is the PS6 problem?

Allow me to say a few:

1. A very expensive price tag.

2. An enormous cross gen cicle ahead. We are getting the Megaman game for the PS4 next year. Devs won't stop making games for the current gent for the next 6 years.

3. Considering that we are getting a Naughty Dog game, a Santa Monica game and a Imsomniac game in the next 2 years for the PS5, there will probably be very few heavy exclusives in the first few years for the PS6.

4. It is much easier now to have a PC on your living room than 6 years ago.

5. The Switch 2 has a much bigger third party presence than the Switch had and it accepts physical media. The whole different niche argument falls apart when the third party games are there.

6. A lot of people are confortable staying in the PS5.

7. No more exclusivity with From Software, Capcom and Square Enix.

8. A probable blow back like Xbox received in 2013 due to a similar situation, which is killing the reselling market. 

And I will deny your last sentence. Both Valve and Nintendo were able to get some significant edges over Sony in this gen. Xbox is not the main threat anymore. The PS6 will very likely be outsold by the Switch 2 in the year of GTA 6, which would seem unthinkable 3 years ago. Remember that the PS4 outsold the Switch for the first 2 years of the hybrid and the PS5 is already getting significantly outsold by Nintendo's console. Steam now makes more money for some devs than all the consoles combined.

Now tell me a good reason why would someone with a PS5 buy a PS6 until 2030? Maybe a Horizon game? Due to OD, Physint is going to take more than that. A new Astro Bot? Great game, but not enough appeal.

Sony is going to be taken for a ride.

1. Price is a problem for all players. Nintendo, PC, Playstation, Xbox... all are living the very same AI price hell! Things are likely much worse for PC and Xbox; everything indicates they will be more expensive than the PlayStation 6.

2. Crossgen is not a problem for Playstation. Money coming from PS5 or PS6 makes no difference.

3. Again, Crossgen is not a problem. PS6 isn't out, it's for 2027-28, and then we have a 7-8 year generation cycle. 1-2 years for launch, followed by 7-8 years of generation (average generation time for consoles like PS4-Switch, etc.).

We're talking about at least 8 years and possibly 10 years in the future. It’s not a 100-meter dash; it’s a marathon where users will eventually, and gradually, want to upgrade to the best available option (likely a PS6).

PS6 will have very slow sales, but it will manage to do good numbers in the end.

Sony just needs to keep making memorable exclusive games. You know, continue being the console with the most award-winning and critically acclaimed lineup of exclusives, just like the last 15 years...

4. It’s also much more expensive—vastly more expensive!

The convenience of plugging a console into the wall and getting automatic updates is essential for most users.

Building a PC has become easier (anyone can buy a pre-built machine), but maintaining one remains complex. Updating drivers, cleaning the hardware, replacing faulty components, dealing with poorly optimized games... PC gaming isn't for everyone.

Either you learn how to do it, or you have to spend money having someone else do it for you.

5. Third-party games are there? I just see late ports and the fact that GTA VI, biggest game of the decade, is not on Switch 2. Bring this up again when there is release parity and the decade's biggest releases arrive on Switch 2.

6. Sony is the most comfortable with this. PS5 money is worth just as much as PS6 money. Besides, there’s the marathon aspect I already mentioned... 8 to 10 years— most, eventually, willl do upgrades...

7. Do you have a crystal ball?? We truly can't talk about this stuff, no one knows about future games exclusivity...

8. I should just ignore this, but... Playstation situation doesn't come close to the 2013 Xbox fiasco, not by miles!!

Valve, sadly, is in another world. The world of people that can deal with pc gaming. It would be the best world, But unfortunately, the barrier is very high for the majority.

Nintendo doesn't have enough third-party support. Deal with it.

Playstation going for a ride? Maybe... But ATM, they’ve been having their most profitable years, and I don’t see any compelling arguments for a drastic change in that scenario. The PS5 will keep raking in the cash, and the PS6—and possibly a portable PS6—has a great chance of continuing that trend.