ITS OVER Sony Interactive Entertainment to end physical game disc production in January 2028

[BraLoD]

Conina said:

BraLoD said:

While the part about things being added through the firmware are possible and real, the bolded part is illegal.

PS5 (and any other PS) discs actually come with the necessary firmware to run the game because of that. Even if the console has never ever connected to the internet, it will play the game if its on the disc.

Which also likely means, if its completely explicity written in the game case that the game contain ads, they can also make you see ads into an offline PS5, because you were informed about it (which you can still discover post purchase and return the disc if you don't like it).

Why is the bolded part (all new games (f. e. GTA6 or Wolverine) wouldn't run with the older firmwares) illegal? You say yourself that PS discs actually come with the necessary firmware to run the game because of that.

So all new physical games would include the necessary firmware with the added ad-system, which would result into "all new games (f. e. GTA6 or Wolverine) wouldn't run with the older (ad-free) firmwares". 

So if you insert one of these new PS5 discs with the "malware firmware" included, you would have to decide to

• decline the firmware to keep your ad-free PS5 ad-free, but you can't use it for any 2027+ PS5 game (either physical or digital) and you can't use the PS Store anymore if it needs the "malware firmware"
• accept the firmware installation and MANY (in the worst case ALL) older and newer PS4 + PS5 games (no matter if physical or digital) on that system now have annoying ads every x minutes on a system level.

And this choice ain't hypothetical. Sony removed Linux and other PS3 features with firmware updates. Most PS3 gamers accepted the firmware installation because access to the newer PS3 games (physical and digital) and access to the PS Store was more important to them than keeping those features. 

I don't think the Linux part has anything to do with the game conversation, even if it can be relevant to features being take away with updates.

But I did not interprete what you said in the bolded part right.

You never disputed what I thought you did which was physical games having access to the necessary firmware to run without internet. It would be illegal to sell a product that can't be played without X or Y condition unless very clearly specificied in the case, as is the caae with games that do require downloads of portions of it or the full download to work.

Yes, if you refuse the firmware update in the disc you won't be able to play that game, and a firmware update could affect all games potentially.

But now, the bolded part in the reply, wouldn't all the companies involved in the system level update to add ad monetization to their games need to effectively contractually agree with, and be paid for, one by one, otherwise this update would only affect the game in case itself?

I think Sony profting on ads in other people games without them agreeing would be illegal too, lol.