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Shadow1980 said:
Captain Explosion. Norion. Since the two of you can't get along, you need to stop interacting with each other. I don't care who gets in the final word in your exchange, because I'm getting the final word in. Disengage from each other. Find someone else to talk to. Hell, I'll volunteer myself, because I do have my own two cents to add to some of what you both said.

I'll send a message responding to this in a bit.

SvennoJ said:
Norion said:

Thinking it'd be a dystopian nightmare cause people wouldn't be able to buy houses shows that you're unable to think beyond capitalism and envision a future world massively different than the present so no different than the people a long time ago who thought that feudalism was the best system there was ever gonna be. A future society where people are able to do whatever they want with their time cause robots are doing all required labour is a concept that has been thought about for a long time so equating envisioning that optimistic future with being paid off by AI companies is laughable. 

Plutocracy is basically Feudalism on a much bigger scale, we haven't moved on from Ceasar's divide and rule either. We only keep getting more efficient at it and AI will be the ultimate tool to envision Orwell's 1984. It's laughable to think mega AI corporations would be interested in providing for the plebs.

You realize that local AI models exist right? The technology is a much broader subject than just what big AI companies are doing. Also it's a silly statement since technological advancement improved living standards drastically the previous century so AI and robotics doing the same in this one is expected. For example robots helping care for the elderly and disabled is a huge positive development that's gonna happen in the coming decades.

sc94597 said:
Norion said:

I don't really lean left but it is wild to me that technology that has massive potential to shift the world away from capitalism and towards something better thanks to post-scarcity being reached is being developed right now and the typical response from the left is to downplay it which is getting more and more ridiculous every week at this point and/or outright oppose it and want it banned/destroyed instead of trying to steer the technology in a direction they'd prefer. That could go down as one of the biggest political blunders of all time if it keeps up.

I consider myself to be on the far-left, and I'm simultaneously baffled like you on this, but also not very surprised that the modern so-called left can't imagine a post-capitalist world. Something broke when the social-liberal (keynesian) and democratic socialist coalition didn't bring about socialism in the post-war era. Mainstream leftists stopped imagining a better world, and basically regressed into a conservative movement trying to preserve the gains won during that era and attempting to use the same socio-political technologies developed during that era. That is why the right has been winning pretty much everywhere on political-economy (not culture) since the 1970's - 1980's (depending on the country.) 

You see it in this thread. People imagine somehow the capitalist-controlled state will ban a wide-set of technologies (something that has never really been done in history) called "AI" but can't imagine the working class displacing said capitalist state. You see it in the workerist mindset of the posters, where a post-wage labor political-economy can't be imagined or is considered a bad thing because "people need routines." 

There is a reason why r/anti-work started as a post-leftist space and not a leftist one (although it has been captured by self-identified "leftists", and isn't about anti-work anymore.) 

Like, you have people unironically defending intellectual property "rights" and calling themselves leftists in the last half-decade. 

The bold part is one of the more absurd aspects of this luddite hysteria. I have a fairly strong libertarian leaning so am staunchly opposed to stuff like copyright and the left generally being against it is something I agreed with them on but AI has polarized a lot of them into acting like Disney lawyers which is a real shame.  Pro technological development and anti-copyright is a combination that should be a lot more popular than it is but is politically homeless right now.

Last edited by Norion - on 17 June 2026