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Chrkeller said:
Otter said:

What games are you thinking of? Unless you mean the engine launch/developer side of things.

When people say x engine runs crap, they're actually talking about specific games with their own levels of optimisation and use of features.

For example I doubt anyone is saying Arc Raiders or Avowed runs like crap on their hardware. 

Meanwhile RE Engine can give you brilliant output like RE9 or it can give you Monster Hunter Worlds and Dragons Dogma.

Just based on the games I have tried with UE5, I certainly haven't played them all.  But SH2 Remake, Oblivion Remaster and Borderlands 4.  Small data set, thus, to your point, might not be entirely accurate.  I had to run all those at 1440p on a 4090 to get a stable framerate.

The thing is, developers can get back to UE4 performance and better if they just remove some of the new features.

Like I don't see why borderlands needs Lumen and Nanite for its art style. I think developers are using these things also to speed up development (less time creating LODs for assets) and less time creating baked lighting/cubemaps etc, but it's very heavy.

Both Oblivion and Borderlands also have gradual performance decay (worse performance over time) which is not a common thing with with Unreal Engine games and something wrong the developers have done/not checked for. Oblivion in particular is not rebuilt on a logic level, so a lot of its issues are nothing to do with Unreal engine.

The one thing that UE does specifically suffer from engine wise is how it manages large maps streaming/transversal stutter. But the better the games overall performance the less that is noticeable.