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HebrewGamer on 25 November 2025
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Kyuu said:
HebrewGamer said:

1. You have to come up with something better than "Nintendo is not competing". Everyone has a handheld system coming out because of Nintendo. Nintendo hasn't put their games on PC or anywhere else but a Nintendo gaming system while Valve made the Steamdeck and now the steam machine. Follow the leader!

2. They make money through MTX where you don't have to sell 30 million copies to be successful. You just need a couple million people to spend $10K on loot boxes and gacha. Nintendo has more 30 million sellers on the Switch alone than Microsoft and Sony have in their entire console history combined.

3. It will never happen if Nintendo doesn't have another WiiU type collapse. Why would they give up the money they make having their own platform and their own games with 3rd parties paying them to put their games on Nintendo's platform?

4. Umm...No. Hardware has never made more money than software as profit margins for hardware are razor thin unlike software especially now with everything going digital.

5. We're talking about consoles, not platforms. I've said the console wars are over and the platform wars have begun a year ago. consoles and platforms aren't the same thing. A console is part of a platform not the platform itself. The PS5 is carried by COD and MTX. They don't have to move units, they just have to hoard whales.

6. If Nintendo is the only company that can move hardware than yes the console market is shrinking and has been shrinking due to mobile gaming taking over during the pandemic. Nintendo has stayed in it by going mobile with the hybrid Switch.  

1. No one said Nintendo isn't competing. I literally argued the contrary a few pages ago.

2. Playstation makes money through software (1st + 2nd + 3rd party), f2p, mtx, subscriptions, and accessories. PS5 is guaranteed to sell well over a 100 million and potentially around 140 million, and you act like it doesn't exist! Tens of millions of active PS4 players may upgrade over time, and it's unclear where Xbox players will be going.

4. The hardware is just a tool for accessing the platform. The money is made through (read point 2 again).

5. PS5 and Playstation in general aren't "carried" by any single game or series. COD may as well disappear and the console would still easily sell over a 100 million if they play their cards right. I don't think you understand how huge Playstation is when it comes to brand power, spending, and engagement, even when ignoring f2p, mtx, and subscriptions. Playstation's overall "traditional" software sales are a lot higher than Nintendo's. Nintendo only dominates them in 1st party sales (which is one of the reasons behind their high profit margins). Playstation and Steam dominate in 3rd party sales. Subtract Nintendo and Sony's games from the reported software revenue and/or sales and see what you get!

6. Nintendo isn't the only one moving hardware lol. And there is a high chance that Switch 2 will decline in most relevant metrics compared to Switch 1 (the most successful console of all time). PS5's generation on the other hand is looking to beat PS4's in pretty much every metric. I'm more interested in seeing how PS6+5 crossgen will compare to PS5+4. Generational transitions are changing, so I expect the hardware sales curve to be quite different than usual, with PS5 having a stronger late life performance than PS4, and PS6 having a weaker start than PS4 and 5 (despite the handheld variant).

1. Good to hear. Tell the other bozos to stop saying this

2. MTX is where most of their money comes from according to actual data. PS5 doesn't even have a 20 million seller on their platform and only one 10 million seller(The Switch has 21!). couple that with how much it costs to make their games and what you're saying doesn't line up with reality. They literally fought in court about Microsoft taking COD from them with the AV/Blizzard acquisition.

4. Again...NO. You buy the hardware for the software, not the other way around. Why do you think these gaming companies value exclusives and do bundle deals?

5. The numbers say otherwise. The only reason people are buying a PS5 at all is to play COD, which is where Sony's money comes from with MTX.

6. PS4 had 4 games sell 20 million copies. Name one PS5 game that sold 20 million. Yes, the PS5 has made more money than PS4.....BECAUSE OF MTX!  Outside of Nintendo, there aren't many games selling in the 10s of millions like that. Black myth wukong was carried by nationalism with the majority of its sales coming from China. Palworld was a $30 game discounted to $20 for the majority of it's run. PS5 nearly being doubled in sales by the Switch. Sure, 80 million is a nice number, but they need people to buy their software which they are not, but again, they don't even need that because MTX is where they make their money.