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Kyuu said:
HebrewGamer said:

Nintendo is the only company with the ability to have a console war. No other company has the IP muscle to make console gaming work. The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount.

Which is why Nintendo games will never go multi-platform. Please stop saying they will because they made some Mobile games. Putting your games on Mobile and using your IP to make mobile games ARE NOT THE SAME THING. You will not legally be able to play Age of Imprisonment unless you have a Switch 2 and they're going to war with the darkweb to make sure the only place you can legally play their retro library is on NSO..

Nintendo expanded into cinema and animation way back in the late 80s with the Super Mario Bros. Super Show and the Super Mario Movie. The only difference between Nintendo today and Nintendo in the late 1980s is their expansion into those realms worked today when it didn't work back then. Nintendo has always wanted to be the new Disney, and they're well on their way to that now.

The console market is shrinking because Nintendo is the only player in town with their competitors going a different direction. everyone but Nintendo has a strategy which deprioritizes console sales to focus on software sales, which is where the real money has always been anyway.

1. Nintendo can't be the only one to have a console war. Because "war" requires the existence of an opponent lol.

2. "The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount" is objectively false and silly. PS5-era Sony possibly makes more money per copy sold than Nintendo does, and the vast majority of their software sales come from their own consoles. But Nintendo's output is far greater in quantity, cheaper to develop, and sells a lot more.

3. Never say never. Anything can or will happen at some point.

4. Platforms generally make sooo much more money than own software. Recent Microsoft and maybe Tencent are the only relevant platform holders prioritizing own software over platform sales.

5. Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Apple, and Google are all about "platforms". Nintendo being more reliant on own software compared to the other 4 is actually a double edged sword. Because if their own software quality or sales degrade, the entire platform would suffer. Sony and Nintendo both have things that the other doesn't. Nintendo is more self-sufficient, but Sony doesn't need to match them as long as they dominate in 3rd party sales. The main purpose of Sony's software is to help keeping you locked in their platform where you would then spend on the ocean of 3rd party content which gives them a nice 30% cut. So far they're succeeding despite PC support diminishing the platform appeal.

6. The console market isn't shrinking unless hardware sales is your sole metric.

1. You have to come up with something better than "Nintendo is not competing". Everyone has a handheld system coming out because of Nintendo. Nintendo hasn't put their games on PC or anywhere else but a Nintendo gaming system while Valve made the Steamdeck and now the steam machine. Follow the leader!

2. They make money through MTX where you don't have to sell 30 million copies to be successful. You just need a couple million people to spend $10K on loot boxes and gacha. Nintendo has more 30 million sellers on the Switch alone than Microsoft and Sony have in their entire console history combined.

3. It will never happen if Nintendo doesn't have another WiiU type collapse. Why would they give up the money they make having their own platform and their own games with 3rd parties paying them to put their games on Nintendo's platform?

4. Umm...No. Hardware has never made more money than software as profit margins for hardware are razor thin unlike software especially now with everything going digital.

5. We're talking about consoles, not platforms. I've said the console wars are over and the platform wars have begun a year ago. consoles and platforms aren't the same thing. A console is part of a platform not the platform itself. The PS5 is carried by COD and MTX. They don't have to move units, they just have to hoard whales.

6. If Nintendo is the only company that can move hardware than yes the console market is shrinking and has been shrinking due to mobile gaming taking over during the pandemic. Nintendo has stayed in it by going mobile with the hybrid Switch.