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Kyuu on 25 November 2025
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HebrewGamer said:
Kyuu said:

1. Nintendo can't be the only one to have a console war. Because "war" requires the existence of an opponent lol.

2. "The only way games other than Nintendo games are selling is by being on every platform known to man at an 80% discount" is objectively false and silly. PS5-era Sony possibly makes more money per copy sold than Nintendo does, and the vast majority of their software sales come from their own consoles. But Nintendo's output is far greater in quantity, cheaper to develop, and sells a lot more.

3. Never say never. Anything can or will happen at some point.

4. Platforms generally make sooo much more money than own software. Recent Microsoft and maybe Tencent are the only relevant platform holders prioritizing own software over platform sales.

5. Nintendo, Sony, Valve, Apple, and Google are all about "platforms". Nintendo being more reliant on own software compared to the other 4 is actually a double edged sword. Because if their own software quality or sales degrade, the entire platform would suffer. Sony and Nintendo both have things that the other doesn't. Nintendo is more self-sufficient, but Sony doesn't need to match them as long as they dominate in 3rd party sales. The main purpose of Sony's software is to help keeping you locked in their platform where you would then spend on the ocean of 3rd party content which gives them a nice 30% cut. So far they're succeeding despite PC support diminishing the platform appeal.

6. The console market isn't shrinking unless hardware sales is your sole metric.

1. You have to come up with something better than "Nintendo is not competing". Everyone has a handheld system coming out because of Nintendo. Nintendo hasn't put their games on PC or anywhere else but a Nintendo gaming system while Valve made the Steamdeck and now the steam machine. Follow the leader!

2. They make money through MTX where you don't have to sell 30 million copies to be successful. You just need a couple million people to spend $10K on loot boxes and gacha. Nintendo has more 30 million sellers on the Switch alone than Microsoft and Sony have in their entire console history combined.

3. It will never happen if Nintendo doesn't have another WiiU type collapse. Why would they give up the money they make having their own platform and their own games with 3rd parties paying them to put their games on Nintendo's platform?

4. Umm...No. Hardware has never made more money than software as profit margins for hardware are razor thin unlike software especially now with everything going digital.

5. We're talking about consoles, not platforms. I've said the console wars are over and the platform wars have begun a year ago. consoles and platforms aren't the same thing. A console is part of a platform not the platform itself. The PS5 is carried by COD and MTX. They don't have to move units, they just have to hoard whales.

6. If Nintendo is the only company that can move hardware than yes the console market is shrinking and has been shrinking due to mobile gaming taking over during the pandemic. Nintendo has stayed in it by going mobile with the hybrid Switch.  

1. No one said Nintendo isn't competing. I literally argued the contrary a few pages ago.

2. Playstation makes money through software (1st + 2nd + 3rd party), f2p, mtx, subscriptions, and accessories. PS5 is guaranteed to sell well over a 100 million and potentially around 140 million, and you act like it doesn't exist! Tens of millions of active PS4 players may upgrade over time, and it's unclear where Xbox players will be going.

4. The hardware is just a tool for accessing the platform. The money is made through (read point 2 again).

5. PS5 and Playstation in general aren't "carried" by any single game or series. COD may as well disappear and the console would still easily sell over a 100 million if they play their cards right. I don't think you understand how huge Playstation is when it comes to brand power, spending, and engagement, even when ignoring f2p, mtx, and subscriptions. Playstation's overall "traditional" software sales are a lot higher than Nintendo's. Nintendo only dominates them in 1st party sales (which is one of the reasons behind their high profit margins). Playstation and Steam dominate in 3rd party sales. Subtract Nintendo and Sony's games from the reported software revenue and/or sales and see what you get!

6. Nintendo isn't the only one moving hardware lol. And there is a high chance that Switch 2 will decline in most relevant metrics compared to Switch 1 (the most successful console of all time). PS5's generation on the other hand is looking to beat PS4's in pretty much every metric. I'm more interested in seeing how PS6+5 crossgen will compare to PS5+4. Generational transitions are changing, so I expect the hardware sales curve to be quite different than usual, with PS5 having a stronger late life performance than PS4, and PS6 having a weaker start than PS4 and 5 (despite the handheld variant).