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JackHandy on 09 October 2025
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curl-6 said:
JackHandy said:

I am more than willing to have my mind changed, but I need something more compelling than that.

Basically, your premise is the system sells the game. Mine is the game sells the system. Case in point: if we're going to go with the idea that consoles sell games, then we're also going to go with the idea that something like fifty-million people were looking at Mario Kart 8 when it launched and thinking, Man... I would love to get that game, but that system... it's just so horrible. I personally have trouble buying into that logic. It's just too big a number; too big a leap.

Generations of people come and go. Attitudes change. During the PS2 era, every game Nintendo launched was considered kiddy and not taken seriously by the majority of the gaming community. Now, those same games are considered by younger generations who weren't around then to be utter masterpieces, which speaks directly to my point.

People changed.

Nintendo didn't.

That is exactly what happened though; Mario Kart 8 was a great game trapped on a console nobody wanted. It was like selling a delicious meal in a restaurant that's filthy and crawling with cockroaches in a shitty part of town, it doesn't mean people don't like the meal, they're just put off by the surrounding factors.

The alternative theory is that over 50 million people all magically changed their minds about Nintendo games overnight for no reason; this simply doesn't hold up to a moment of logical scrutiny.

If it was the audience's attitude that changed, then the change would have happened gradually over time. Instead it changed instantly, and the the fact this sudden change happened exactly when a desirable new Nintendo console came out shows that it was the Switch that caused the change.

No, I'm not making the claim that the same gamers changed, although it's obvious there was a little of that. I'm arguing that a new generation of gamers (Gen Z) bought into Nintendo in a way that we haven't seen since the SNES. That it became cool to play Nintendo games again.

I do not believe systems sell games like you do. I believe it's the other way around and always has been.