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EricHiggin said:
Why wasn't DJT any of those things back then? Did we know everything about him back then? Was the reporting that good? Did he lie back then? Why is DJT those things now? The reporting is already far worse than it was and more and more is proven false. You believe everything he says now? Can people not say and do the opposite of what they're actually thinking? Can people not think ahead? Can people not manipulate? Once people make a decision about something, can they not deviate from that ideology in anyway or do their minds automatically follow it exactly? When people make a decision, can they not change their minds? How long before they can change their mind? Every decade? Every year? Each day? Are 'products' not allowed to go backwards? If changes are made and it makes them worse, or even a safety concern, do we just keep 'selling' them? Does the right ever progress/drift more right? Does the left ever progress/drift more left? How does the position of center react to those changes? Does National Socialism only apply to the right? Is there anything about National Socialism that applies to the left? Right : (looks up and see's a perfectly blue sky) 'The sky is blue'. Left : (looks up and see's the same thing) 'That's not true. The sky isn't always blue.' |
Whether or not Donald Trump is a Republican is an observable fact, unless you mean Republican in the loose sense that he votes for Republicans overwhelmingly. He is registered and holds status as a high level Republican. This was not true in the 90's and early 00's.
As for the rest, we can make observations of what he says and does, from a variety of sources. The media isn't a unified behemoth. If different independent sources observe a thing, then that thing is more likely to be true.
The idea that society is a "product" is a weird take, but no you can't really "go backwards." Everything inherits from what came before it. I don't necessarily believe in progressive historiology (that things always get better over time), but I do believe that you can't suddenly reinvent a modern society to become a medieval one. Likewise with a post-modern one with a modern one. The error in palingenetic accounting is that it suggests things were overall better in some golden age, and it is only a matter of returning to it by eliminating the "fifth column" that made society fall, but that golden age never really existed as it is accounted to have and there is no "fifth column."
In the U.S both the mainstream right and left are further polarized than they were in say the New Deal, post-war era. Eisenhower, for example, wouldn't have said something like "the Civil Rights Act was a mistake" and Johnson likely wouldn't be pro-LGBT. The center has overall shifted rightward on economics and leftward on cultural issues though.
National Socialism (outside of suppressed forms of it like Strasserism) was a right-wing ideology. Right-wing ideologies describe those ideologies which are oriented toward the preservation and naturalization of social hierarchies. Left-wing ideologies are those which are oriented toward deconstructing social hierarchies and which argue they are largely constructed by society. Nazis believed strongly not just in racial and ethnic hierarchies, but also in class hierarchies (people of different classes should know their place and collaborate.) The exception of course we're the strasserites who believed class hierarchies (within the Germanic "race") should be eliminated/reduced/abolished. But at best you can say their ideology was syncretic, as they still believed in racial and ethnic hierarchies.
This isn't to say there weren't totalitarian leftist movements, but it is to say that in so much as they were left wing they weren't Nazi movements.
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