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sc94597 said:
Chrkeller said:

Late to the party but I do not like the equity push. Equal outcome? Talent and hardwork play a huge role in outcome. People are not entitled to equal outcome. I'm not entitled to a Nobel Prize because there are more talented and harding working people than I am.

Equal opportunity should absolutely exist, but outcomes should vary. Work and skills should be rewarded.

And an un-level playing field drives motivation.  I dont work 50 hours a week for me, I do it to give my children an edge over the competition.  Equal outcome is de-motivating.  

Something that is true for individuals (outcomes should depend on decisions) don't generally apply to arbitrary groups/categories -- where different individuals within the group are making different decisions that should balance out on net in similar ways.

It makes sense (even if we assumed actual equal opportunity at birth, which would require no inheritance) for individuals to end up in different places. It doesn't make sense for arbitrary socially constructed groups -- like race for this to be the case, without considering some lurking variable(s) that applies generally to individuals in that arbitrary group.

I don't understand how you see race as a socially constructed group. It is just biology, no? Or am I missunderstanding you?

We don't know, by the way, that biological race would not play a role for intelligence, because the research on it is so taboo. I heard an Interview about "The Bellcurve" (or whatever the name of it is) that was pretty convincing about this being a very little researched topic. We really don't know.

But culture is definitely socially constructed. And culture can run along racial lines as borders. Nothing surprising about that. And cultures are different of course. This would have to mean that some are better at some things and worse at other things. I think this can easyily have a messurable effect on things like education.