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Torillian on 30 August 2025
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EricHiggin said:
Torillian said:

I think it's misogyny because the two roles aren't equal. And my basis for thinking that the two roles aren't equal is that women seem to have happily taken over some of these more masculine roles while men rarely are willing to take over in the other direction. It seems pretty common to me that men that laud the roles that women once took as standard (like staying in the home and taking care of the kids) say that those are really important and great roles, but never appear to want to do them. 

Describing both roles doesn't necessitate a lack of misogyny if one roll is superior to the other. 

Torillian said:

I'm arguing you don't need to say it for it to be the case. 

Here's a hypothetical. What if I said women's role is to lead and innovate and men's role was to do dishes and laundry? I haven't said that either is superior but I think we can figure it out without it being stated. 

bdbdbd said:

It is if you think so. What you're essentially trying to say is that choices women typically make are of less value than choices men typically make. Why do they have less value? Because women choose to do so? Did the value of doing the laundry rise when it was a men doing it? 

Even if staying home and taking care of the kids was superior and far more important, you would assume that in an intelligent, civilized, logical society, the people would prefer the very best for the role then. There's plenty of reasons why woman are seen as better at those roles. It's the same reason why in divorce, the woman get the kids, or the majority of time spent with them. They are the future.

And just because woman are taking over roles seen as more masculine (in the past), doesn't mean they're doing a better job at those roles. Would society prefer the best for each and every role doing those jobs, or do we prefer everyone simply doing whatever they feel like, even if that meant less efficiency and reliability?

Not everyone see's things the same way, and not every scenario is simply right and wrong. Sometimes it's simply better than another option, at that time.

My recollection is that the reason women get the kids in the divorce most of the time is that men don't fight for it most of the time. If that's a factual disagreement I can try to look it up. 

I'm not saying that women are doing a better job at those roles. I'm saying that women view those roles as acceptable while men don't view women's roles as acceptable by and large. This leads me to think that most people view one role as superior to the other. In a free society I would prefer people get to do what they want over being assigned what they're best at. 

Lost me on the last paragraph. 



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