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Torillian on 19 August 2025
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Chrkeller said:
Torillian said:

You keep claiming that certain social services are unpopular in the Midwest particularly and when shown evidence against it just ignore it and move on with your day. This is what I am referencing. 

Surveys, having done a bunch myself, depend on how the question is asked and how well the sample distribution represents population distribution.  Not something I would hang my hat on.  Plus gross over interpretation.  If 53% voted favorable, the means 47%, at best are neutral (e.g. not a selling point).  Last I checked 47% is a huge percentage.  Also I'm talking about feelings in middle America, not general America.  Middle America is where most swing states are.  

But fine. For the sake of argument.

1) great platform that the majority love

2) great job of talking to the people and cascading messages 

Yet lost on ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.  LOST THE POPULAR VOTE.  DID NOT WIN A SINGLE SWING STATE.

Please explain how this is rational thinking.  And people got dumber from 2020 to 2024 is an asinine position.

I would love for someone to actually try to address the points above.  I've mentioned it many times and nothing but crickets.  Which tells me everything I need to know.  You all don't have an explanation and refuse to do any reasonable analysis because of herd mentality.

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I'm not being entirely fair.  Machiavellian and Zorg have provided additional rationale, so credit to them.  

Data collection can be hard, but that's no reason to substitute with vibes. 

Don't give a shit personally about your other arguments about democrats in general. I'm just telling you your "I think the Midwest doesn't like ____ because I lived there" is an intellectually lazy way to discuss something. And then when people try to share actual polling with you you ignore it and talk about how the democrats losing the popular vote just must mean you're right. Or maybe it has nothing to do with the point being made but you can't stop yourself from going into it again and again. Either way it's again not a good argument to what's being discussed. 

Out of curiosity: Can you maybe apply that rationale in the bolded and consider why polling is more likely accurate than your personal recollection from living there?

Last edited by Torillian - on 19 August 2025

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