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[Machiavellian]

konnichiwa said:

Machiavellian said:

I did not ask about other people, I asked if you wanted a police state.  How much freedom are you willing to give up for security. How much does those items you list effect you the most and how much are YOU willing to give up for those problems to be fixed by more military intervention.  Interesting enough, I was in Columbia not to long ago.  Do you know that on every corner there is a military guard with a dog sometimes but crime is still rampant there why do you believe that is the case.  Because soldiers do not solve problems instead the problems just find ways around those measures.

Also the if you noticed what Trump and his administration says, they are not fixing the homeless problem, they are just relocating them somewhere else so no one sees them.  As to crime going down, it already was going down but putting more soldiers really doesn't solve crime as much as being a band aide.  Understanding why those crimes happen and fixing at the source probably would be a more productive solution as it will ensure the next generation also doesn't need to go down that route.  Also, soldiers do not fix drug addiction or primary most of the stuff you listed since that is not their job.

I feel the same way I don't want to give up my freedom of just driving to the Netherlands without getting controlled at the border but if their is more border related crime especially drug related I don't mind they have border controls and control me, it is annoying but I get why they do it.

Good example about Military intervention.. I am from Belgium and in Brussels we had terrorist attacks; heavy gang war in the 2010's.  From around 2015-2020 we had around 500 soldiers in the capital

People were against it at first but got used to it fast, during those years they also prevent some terrorist and crime attacks.  

The ones who disliked it the most were the soldiers because after some time the crime rate went down by a lot and they had not much to do.

A new political government became in power and voted the soldiers out and since then the crime went up

Typical similar issues you see in some USA cities,  people stop reporting thefts because the police can't help because of not enough resources, citizens avoid certain neighbourhoods, they wake up because of another shooting, they see another drug deal going on but don't report it because they will walk free again tomorow...and then you have a mayor who will gladly say crime is down by 10%!! meanwhile the citizens know very well that a ton of people just don't report stuff anymore. Next election a right winged candidate will probably gain the power or some power and politicians will be shocked and say silly stuff wow never expected their live so many white racist people in Brussels...

Curious will be Columbia be more safe if every military guard will leave the street..

People usually get use to being controlled, that is why dictators know once they take control, you will fall in line and the next generation will only know control so its all you will ever know.  Once freedom is gone, it never comes back.  Always remember once you give up something, you can believe there is no incentive to give it back and once you become adjusted as you say, then it's your life from then on.