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sundin13 on 17 August 2025
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curl-6 said:
Chrkeller said:

The other thing, not directed at you, I find funny is how the left (in general) doesn't think their attitude is a problem.  Most middle Americans are well aware the left looks down on them.  The left is referred to "elitist" for a reason.  Why would middle Americans support a party that thinks they are deplorable, trash, stupid, etc?  The answer is, they wouldn't....  and didn't.  This thread is a great example.  Very condescending and rude to 50% of the US population.  I can assume you threads like this just make current conservatives more unwilling to vote differently.  Bill Maher has a lot of good videos talking about this impact.  

Yeah I've noticed this a lot too.

Among the louder elements of the left at least, there's always the sense that leftist ideology is perfect and beyond reproach and that anyone who doesn't agree with it is just a filthy ignorant subhuman fascist who can't be reasoned with.

This attitude alienates broad swathes of folks from groups like working class white people and straight men and drives them into the arms of the right, who then win them over by promising them "we don't hate you like the left does."

This is why the alt right has flourished in recent years, and if it's ever going to be defeated, this needs to change.

Hello, I'm someone on the left who has used less than kind words to talk about those who voted for Trump. My argument is not that the left is perfect. Quite the opposite actually. I think a lot of people on the left genuinely hate the left and I have a ton of criticisms of the ideology, the policy and the people. 

My argument is that the right has become so fundamentally vile that I believe no rationally acting individual can intelligently vote for them (with the exception of maybe billionaires acting for their own financial interests). I also feel that if someone decides to vote for Trump because some random asshole on the internet called them an idiot (it's me, I'm the asshole), they are proving the accusation true. 

Does that mean it is good policy to call people idiots? I mean, no, but that doesn't make it not true.