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[SvennoJ]

shavenferret said:

At least the IDF has some safeguards and rules in place.  Not every lugnut soldier is gonna follow the proper stuff all the time.  But at least they have rules.  Does hamas?  lmao.                                          

The palestenians made themselves the enemy of the jews a long time ago.  And the jews have been defending themselves since.  Since the jews punch above their weight, the palestenians have to complain about it.  But if they stopped fighting then there wouldn't be a problem any more.  It's like complaining about the other guy kneeing you in the balls which might sound unfair but you slapped him with a weak ass arm first.  Of course, you will get struck with something in that case. 

The IDF has no safeguards in place, they ignore there own rules which are pretty much symbolic at this point. Just look at all the testimonies of IDF soldiers.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/middleeast/israeli-soldier-alleges-serious-misconduct-gaza-intl

Destroyed homes, looting, and a desire for revenge. A former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) reservist has alleged serious misconduct by Israeli forces in Gaza, and a lack of discipline in the command structure, in an interview with CNN.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/israeli-soldiers-break-their-silence-gaza-conflict

The group’s most recent report presents testimonies from the 2014 Gaza War. Collecting stories from over 60 soldiers, the report reveals discrepancies between what the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and government spokespersons told the public about what happened in Gaza, and the reality described by the soldiers that took part in the operation.

On June 22, the UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on the 2014 Gaza Conflict published a report highlighting the unprecedented scale of devastation caused by the operation with hundreds of civilians dead and the leveling of entire neighborhoods. Thanks to Breaking the Silence, we understand how shifts in Israel’s military doctrine towards more tolerance for civilian harm contributed to this, as Breaking the Silence’s report on the war concludes: “systematic policies that were dictated to IDF forces of all ranks and in all zones … led to massive and unprecedented harm to the population and the civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip.”

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240403-gaza-out-of-control-israeli-troops-do-what-they-want/

And so on and so on. 

Of course Hamas has rules, that's beside the point.

The Jews Israeli Neo-Zionists (stop conflating all Jews with terrorist Zionists) are defending themselves? Who is the aggressor?



Who has taken more and more land since invading the area (not showing the land Israel occupies in Lebanon and Syria)





The Palestinians have made themselves the enemy of the Jews Neo-Zionists because they are the people in the "Land without a People".

The Jews Neo-Zionists punch above their weight because of US military support

They have stopped fighting before, made no difference. The Oslo accords were a sham, Israel never adhered to them.
They have tried peaceful demonstrations, made no difference.

It's mostly the international community to blame for that as it takes a large terrorist attack followed by a genocide for the world to even pay attention to 77 years of occupation and ethnic cleansing. 

shavenferret said:

Ryuu96 said:

Why should they? It's their home. Should Ukrainians move somewhere else? Of course they're mad about having to move from their homes because Israel is blowing it to pieces. You seriously have some unhealthy dislike of Palestinians, you ought to have some self-reflection on the matter because you're almost sounding like how Putin talks about Ukrainians.

shavenferret said:

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  Secondly, Israel is trying to get other countries to accept them according to your link.  T hey aren't just being mean stern jews that won't let them leave, that's just not true Svenno.  Like you said, the issue is that other nations won't accept them, mostly because how many of them are terrorists and such.  If they were wealthy and smart like the israeli's then as well as not problematic (many know how to blow people up or use an AK-47), other nations might want them.  But having a mass of the poor, and unwashed isn't something you want to bring to your country so i get it, however unfortunate this may be.

Dude, Israel is literally bombing the shit out of their home indiscriminately, to Israel they either leave or they kill them, at the end of the day it's the same thing to Israel, they remove Palestinians from Gaza and steal their land dead or alive. Other countries aren't accepting them because they don't want to accept hundreds of thousands of refugees, especially a country like Egypt which is in a fragile state lately.

How many of them are terrorists? We're talking millions. Gaza's population largely skews towards children and women. Do you think the children in those images are terrorists? They aren't wealthy because they've spent the last 30+ years being beaten down with no support. They only know how to fight precisely because Israel has been attacking them for years.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, you don't fight a terrorist organisation by slaughtering innocent people and trying to genocide an entire population though. Take a look at Ukraine, do you see Ukraine who is in a far worse position than Israel, Ukraine who is weaker than Israel, fighting a country far more powerful than Hamas, do you see Ukraine casually bombing the shit out of Russian citizens and purposely trying to starve them?

How are Palestinians meant to get rid of Hamas when Israel is blowing the same Palestinians to pieces?

Deliberately trying to displace an entire population and at the same time killing as many as possible is genocide.

Then Hamas should back the f off and quit hiding amongst civilians so that war doesn't come to the normal people.  That's the problem with terrorism, it sounds like a lot of fun until it isn't anymore and army comes for you.   Besides that, the only thing that we are going to agree on with this, is that the situation is very complex with neither side looking good.  It's not a one sided beatdown at all, and the israeli's want safety.  They are being hard noses, and to ensure that, they respond the way that they do.  

Spreading more lies. Hamas is not using civilians as human shields, the IDF does however.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-army-human-shields-80f358dd2c87a1123f26ffada159701c
They even have a name for it 'mosquito protocol'
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/5/29/israeli_soldiers_using_palestinians_human_shields


The situation is not complex at all. We're not going to agree on that either. That's deflection, refusing to see the real problem. Continued occupation, apartheid and ethnic cleansing now resulting in genocide.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-governments-use-of-toxic-deflection-to-justify-annihilation-of-palestinians/

Is Russia's continued occupation of Crimea complex? Should Ukraine enter some form of the Oslo accords and give up land to Russia while living in fragmented areas with Russian settlements patrolled by Russian soldiers?


In the end Israelis are not getting any safer, they are making more and more enemies and are on the way into turning Israel into another North Korea. A pariah state surviving on forever war.
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/israels-forever-war-of-permanent-vengeance/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/against-core-principles-israel-is-leaning-on-reservists-to-fight-its-endless-war/
https://www.securityincontext.org/posts/merchants-of-death-israels-permanent-war-economy

It's not a war, it's a genocide which is a one-sided beat down only much worse.

If the Israelis want safety they need to learn how to live with their neighbors without occupation, apartheid, oppression
https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid

Or in your words, leave the county. As many of the more wealthy are doing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/war-spurs-brain-drain-outflow-of-israeli-high-tech-employees-report-finds/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-exodus-over-82000-2024
https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-exodus-through-taba-sparks-anger-egypt


Israel is turning itself into an extremist society, they're already there but it's only getting worse.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/28/middleeast/israel-young-people-extremist-views-intl-cmd

There is no future in that.