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Ryuu96 said:

shavenferret said:

They can move elsewhere.  Israel should pay for the buses to cart them away if things are so bad that it's like a concentration camp or something.  But this would never work, because they want to stay there, and be angry because they are kept out of control.  If they don't like that, then they should leave.

Why should they? It's their home. Should Ukrainians move somewhere else? Of course they're mad about having to move from their homes because Israel is blowing it to pieces. You seriously have some unhealthy dislike of Palestinians, you ought to have some self-reflection on the matter because you're almost sounding like how Putin talks about Ukrainians.

shavenferret said:

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  Secondly, Israel is trying to get other countries to accept them according to your link.  T hey aren't just being mean stern jews that won't let them leave, that's just not true Svenno.  Like you said, the issue is that other nations won't accept them, mostly because how many of them are terrorists and such.  If they were wealthy and smart like the israeli's then as well as not problematic (many know how to blow people up or use an AK-47), other nations might want them.  But having a mass of the poor, and unwashed isn't something you want to bring to your country so i get it, however unfortunate this may be.

Dude, Israel is literally bombing the shit out of their home indiscriminately, to Israel they either leave or they kill them, at the end of the day it's the same thing to Israel, they remove Palestinians from Gaza and steal their land dead or alive. Other countries aren't accepting them because they don't want to accept hundreds of thousands of refugees, especially a country like Egypt which is in a fragile state lately.

How many of them are terrorists? We're talking millions. Gaza's population largely skews towards children and women. Do you think the children in those images are terrorists? They aren't wealthy because they've spent the last 30+ years being beaten down with no support. They only know how to fight precisely because Israel has been attacking them for years.

shavenferret said:

It would be a completely different story if there wasn't this constant threat of terrorism from Hamas and similar organizations.  The only way for the palestenians to get better treatment is to collectively end the hostilities and eradicate these groups.  That would go a long way in getting better services and treatment.  

By any rational person, these issues of genocide and so forth don't really fit the classic model, because you have a low level of conflict that will perpetuate into eternity from what it appears.  So it's not really an issue of a stronger group systematically killing and erasing a subordinate group for its own end, not as a byproduct of hostilities which is what we are seeing here.  You might be trying to redefine what genocide means, is that the case? The stronger group in this case is trying to end hostilities so that they can help the weaker group.  But there is so much bad stuff flying around, that it makes this difficult.  

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, you don't fight a terrorist organisation by slaughtering innocent people and trying to genocide an entire population though. Take a look at Ukraine, do you see Ukraine who is in a far worse position than Israel, Ukraine who is weaker than Israel, fighting a country far more powerful than Hamas, do you see Ukraine casually bombing the shit out of Russian citizens and purposely trying to starve them?

How are Palestinians meant to get rid of Hamas when Israel is blowing the same Palestinians to pieces?

Deliberately trying to displace an entire population and at the same time killing as many as possible is genocide.

Then Hamas should back the f off and quit hiding amongst civilians so that war doesn't come to the normal people.  That's the problem with terrorism, it sounds like a lot of fun until it isn't anymore and army comes for you.   Besides that, the only thing that we are going to agree on with this, is that the situation is very complex with neither side looking good.  It's not a one sided beatdown at all, and the israeli's want safety.  They are being hard noses, and to ensure that, they respond the way that they do.  Finally, i can like or dislike anyone, just as i can support or withdraw my support for any cause.  It's my life, correct?  If i support one side or the other, it won't matter at all because both parties usually support israel.  It's just opinions on the internet, just a bunch of air.  

Last edited by shavenferret - on 30 July 2025