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Hardstuck-Platinum on 19 July 2025
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Kyuu said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

Yes, and they're never going to share that with us so why even make that point? I know vast majority of people on Gamepass are on Xbox, but MS doesn't act like it values console GP users. It makes them pay more for the same service. They treat console players badly in general. They told everyone starfield couldn't run at 60fps because of complex systems like the sandwich collecting stuff, and then released a 60fps path months later. Your argument is valid in saying that MS SHOULD value it's console player base, but they clearly don't with the decisions they have made. The proof is in the pudding and we don't need access to the data as you keep saying. 

Playstation made $17 billion from software last fiscal year. Assuming 2 billion were from 1st party content leaves $15 billion of taxable 3rd party revenue. 30% of that would be $4.5 billion.

While we don't have access to MS's full data, we're able to make logical extrapolations that get us reasonably close to the undisclosed numbers. Playstation making $4.5 billion from taxes implies that Xbox made $1-1.5 billion in the same period. Xbox-PC + GamePass will significantly reduce their 3rd party income. We don't need Microsoft's data to accept that the 30% cut is very important.

Well, of course it's better to have console success and 30% taxable revenue streams on your platform. The thing is, to attempt that business model means your competing against Sony and Nintendo and Phil Spencer has said exactly these words. 

"we are not trying to out-console Sony or Nintendo"

"We are no longer trying to bring over players from other platforms to Xbox" 

The sales are getting worse and worse for Xbox and whilst they still have some third party revenue, with the sales they have that revenue is very quickly going to stop because the XBSS/X are now selling much worse than Xbone did in it's final year before it was discontinued. There is no way that developers are going to keep supporting a platform that is selling like XBSS/X is and MS know that. The only thing they can do is to make it work for them in a way where they are not dependant on hardware selling for Xbox App/Gamepass to be successful and that's what they're doing. Phil spencer has said himself they are finished with the standard console business models so why should we ignore him?