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| shavenferret said: The jokes that I appreciate making the most at least point to how wrong things are. But, i will admit that many are crass for its own sake. So, sometimes nuance just goes out the window and i start making dick jokes. I also disagree, because you are asking too much. You are asking for an art form to be evolved and socially involved as well on these important issues. But sometimes art works on a lower and more subtle level: it just does things like letting you know where we are as a nation on these issues. It lets us laugh at a nuanced issue, when even the good guys don't always have good behavior. In which case, some comedians may lob jokes at disenfranchised groups and this can set y'all off.  Also, please realize that once you start designating certain groups as sacred, and can't criticise those groups any more; you will then get comedians to slay these sacred cows with their jokes. The whole point is to make people a bit uncomfortable and get them to relieve that through a laugh. You can't do that by playing nice.  |
| Jumpin said: Enough of this nonsense we already refuted earlier in this thread. It's still wrong. Your post commits the slippery slope fallacy - “if this happens, then this will happen, and eventually this will happen” with no demonstration to the truth of this. Liberated free societies aren’t so stupid that they can't differentiate arts & entertainment from reality. If you are finding they are, then your problems are far beyond than anything going on in a comedy show, or books, video games, films, music, or other works of art or entertainment - it rather means the foundation of a liberated and free society has eroded away. Nanny state protocols will not prevent hatred, or make stupid people less dangerous—in fact, they’re generally implemented by authoritarian regimes to reinforce the stupidity of a population, making them less individualistic, and more subservient to the regime - who then leads them along with the big lies that they can use to oppress/kill minorities. We’ve seen this occur in the fascist states of the early 20th century and the fundamentalist states this century. And the reverse is true, where liberating the arts and entertainment has pulled society away from authoritarianism - as we saw recently in Poland and Ukraine. Free societies should never compromise their values based on what the stupidest people in their society might think or do. Such compromises only serve to weaken the foundation of liberty and freedom. Nanny state protocols against the arts & entertainment don’t make stupid people less dangerous, but they do make the arts & entertainment less artistic, less entertaining, and less free. |
Have people in this thread been pushing for specific "nanny state protocols", or other compromises or are we just getting mad at hypotheticals?
