Phenomajp13 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:
I'm by no means against the existence of motion controls or setups that allow them, if that's what you think. What I don't like (and actually find pretty bad) are game controllers developed around motion controls. So far, only the Wii Remote is centered around aiming, so it's the only controller I categorically dislike, even Wii U and its clunky Gamepad get a pass Another thing I'm not against is games designed around motion controls. I just found them to be bad games, that's all. They can keep existing, they don't bother me. That's what I don't get about the Wii: the controls were bad, and the games that made use of those controls were bad too (in my opinion) Of course, people can disagree and enjoy playing something questionable, let's say Switch Sports. But there are also people who spend thousands of dollars on mobile gacha games, so I just shrug and move on, I guess... For anything that requires precision with pointers like third person shooters, I've already said I'd rather play with a mouse, it's just better than Wii aiming. But that depends, console shooters can be trivialized if you're using mouse. RE2 remake became brain-dead easy with mouse aiming, so there's a limit I think As for your point about non-party games not being designed around dual analog... I guess you think something like a 3D platformer can be easily played with a tiny Joy-Con that barely fits in one hand? I disagree with your assertion that Joy-Cons (either one or both) are better than dual analog sticks. Joy-Cons are creatively designed to work in both handheld and stationary modes, and I'm impressed by how well they function (drift and disconnection issues aside). But if we're comparing just for stationary gaming, they're inferior to any modern controller from Microsoft, Sony, or even Nintendo's own Pro Controller. Not even Nintendo thinks Joy-Cons are superior they obviously recognize how good their own Pro (look at its name) controller is. They didn't even try to add anything new to the Pro Controller 2, because it already fundamentally supports virtually every modern console game, except maybe for the Wii-like games which only Nintendo is doing anyways and can be played using the standard joycons that comes with the Switch |
All of that is fine because you are entitled to your opinion about Wii. There was clearly some kind of appeal because the controls are pretty good depending on the genre. There are genres that are reasonably playable via Wii mote or single joy con. Both controls (Wii mote & single joycon) may not be suited for 3D platforms (Odyssey) or 3D adventure (Zelda) but there are franchises both control schemes fit well like racing (Mario Kart, the highest selling game on Switch), fighting (Smash), simulation (Animal Crossing, second highest), rpg (Pokemon), and many other. As for your last point, no one denys the Pro controllers or more "traditional" controls still have their place. I have a pro and will get a pro 2. That doesnt change the fact that the joy cons are in all Switch consoles besides the lite. They are the default. Street Fighter 6 on Switch 2 even supports a way to play via a single joycon. People clearly use them. I think Joy Con 2 could really close the gap and surpass "traditional" controls due to the mouse & full button layout. The 3D games are supporting it (Cyberpunk). |
I think we are converging to the same point in the discussion, my dislike about motion controls is entering a matter of preference. The first post that spark this discussion was mine thinking I never got the Wii appeal dueing the Wii craze, meanwhile I immediately got the Switch appeal and always thought it was going to be successful
I honestly don't think MK8 works well at all with a single joycon, it's a 3D racing game so dua analog helps a lot here. Indeed any 3D game is developed with analog stick in mind. Remember N64, they specifically developed the stick to help the controls
Smash is okay because it combat remembers arcade fight arena which is basically 2D
Animal Crossing as far as I remember is not playable with a single joycon option, I can be wrong but I can quickly try here. It's a game thst actually features tons of menu options and need many buttons so I can't understand how can it be playable with only one
Never tried Pokemon either (I have Pokemon Sword), but I guess this one can be played with one joycon, I might try it later too
