Holy shit, Canada's having an election! But why?

[EricHiggin]

SvennoJ said:

EricHiggin said:

Personally I'm not for non Canadian protests in Canada. You want to protest about some other Country, go protest there. If that other Country won't let you, then rethink what you have here and what you're doing. You want to protest Canada, then by all means, do so peacefully and change Canadians minds. I'm also not for sticking our nose into what's going on between Israel and Palestine or Ukraine and Russia. Let the EU worry about it if they want to. You can't hate on the USA (or CAN backing them up) for being world police while not covering your payments, but then ask for help every time you're in need of protection. We can't even properly take care of our own military/defence for that matter.

PP won't be going full DOGE because the majority of Canadians would go bonkers. Canada isn't similar enough to the USA to go full DOGE. Getting rid of some things isn't a problem, assuming they're the right things to shut down or shrink, but throwing everything out would be unacceptable. The nickname some give him of Trump Lite would be more so what to expect in this case. DOGE Lite.

Trudeau was also part of that elitist group, and many Canadians finally realized he needed to go, like the rest of us who knew that in the last election. Mind you PP is leaps better than O'Toole was. The WEF isn't there for Canada's benefit. They're there for their benefit. Carney is on video complaining that he was unhappy that Trudeau didn't charge a higher carbon tax that Carney advised. The carbon tax he's been saying is over with, which is bs, because it hasn't been thrown out, only paused. Obviously so he can restart it, and potentially charge more again if he wins. Brookfield, is also big into housing, which would clearly be a conflict of interest for Carney, but he clearly doesn't care since he'll financially benefit directly from it. You should watch Jordan Petersons videos where he speaks with Jim Basillie (RIM BlackBerry) about the upcoming election, and well as Jordan's analysis on Carney's book "values". Neither of them look to be fans of Carney, and Jim's a big Canadian business guy.

Well PP's mom was Irish, and then he was adopted by French Parents. The way he talks about his past it sure seems like he gets it and isn't anti immigrant, just about smarter immigration. Taking too many in while leaving the people already here behind, just flat out doesn't make any sense. You don't continue building a railroad without properly maintaining what's already been built.

The protests are not for another country, they are against Canada's involvement in genocide. The protests are against the universities' ties with a criminal regime that's committing live streamed genocide, backed partially by us. They ask universities to divest from Israel.

Protesting in another country against Canada's involvement makes less sense. Isn't PP all about taking responsibility?

"Pierre Poilievre is a life-long conservative, champion of a free market, and fighter for people taking ownership of and responsibility for their own futures"

That's exactly what these protesters are doing. They don't want their country to support genocide.

But agreed, it's a good thing Trudeau is gone, he finally did something right by stepping down. Now only if Doug Ford was gone as well, oh well. I can't forgive him for all the people he killed during the pandemic (massive screw up with elderly care homes) and trying to sell the green belt to his builder buddies.

Doug then invested 6 billion in elderly care as penance?

The end result is locking decades worth of taxpayer dollars into an antiquated model of elderly care that’s failed during the pandemic.

Anyway in the end, Liberal values align closer to my values vs conservative. PP isn't changing my mind on that one bit. And while the Libs aren't great either, it's not the time for a protest vote with too many unknowns, ifs and maybes. Trump solidified my vote and I hope Canada doesn't repeat the mistake the USA made.

Well I'm against being part of it period, so what's going on with it to me just shouldn't be happening as far as I'm concerned. As for PP taking responsibility, he's not the one who got us in this mess since he wasn't in charge, but I'm not really aware of where he stands going forward if he gets into power. I've been assuming he likely wants to limit our involvement, if not back out entirely, based on his "Canada First" approach.

I can't really blame Doug too much for the pandemic. There's no chance the Libs would be in power based on how badly they screwed their party up, allowing Doug to waltz right in. Plus the majority of people in their respective countries screwed up the pandemic badly, so the one's who got it right are rare, and to just assume Canadians should've got it right isn't a sound assumption based on the last decade of our political options and choices. I don't really blame any politician for healthcare anymore either. Every once and a while when there's actually a decent idea, it tends to get shot down because people are too scared of change to a system like that, or they're told the idea will ruin things and they just go along with it out of fear. So all politicians really do anymore is just throw money at what exists, which doesn't fix anything either, but at least it makes it harder to blame them, which works for them and their political career most of the time.

The green belt was never going to last. There's way to many building regulations in Toronto, especially when it comes to height, and it's just getting way too expensive to build there, and unaffordable for citizens. The easy answer is building outwards, which means the greenbelt was a goner sooner or later. The GTA area isn't going to allow growth to stop and move elsewhere. If it's between money or the environment, money will always win eventually, even with the Libs, as they'll just hold out longer, but will eventually give in too.

I can't speak as to those Liberal values, since I don't know where exactly you stand, but from my point of view, many Liberal values have become illiberal today, and it seems to me that Carney holds too many of those values himself. One minute he's for them, the next minute when someone else has a problem with that he's against it. Most of the time that's when he's being pulled back and forth by old school and new progressive Liberal values, and he won't be clear about where he stands, which leads me to believe he isn't siding with the old school Liberals, or that he has no standards period, which is just as bad. This leads me to believe Carney's going to be no different than Trudeau best case, and we can't afford that any longer.

If I was still in Norfolk right now this would be a tougher decision for that County. The local Libs tend to be much better for the County then the Cons, but most people I know or have spoken to there say they're voting Con so we get a change in our Federal Gov. Which as you say sucks because that's a terrible way to have to vote. We shouldn't have to choose to screw ourselves for the good of the entire Country, and we shouldn't have to let the Country suffer to try and make sure we each benefit locally as much as we can based on the circumstances. Personally I don't know if I'm going to vote because I see either Cons or Libs in power Federally as a win, if the polls are correct. Either way it's going to wake people up, one will just be more painful than the other. My family can weather the storm, and can easily move if things keep getting worse, so at this point, after a decade of this, I just hope for everyone else's sake they realize which path will get us out of this mess, even though it's not a perfect answer to all the problems.