| Slownenberg said: I saw your point 2, and no that doesn't address a 50% increase in price, so nope, sorry, you have not "take care of" it. You can't just write off what I said by claiming you already addressed it when you in fact didn't. Next gen systems are always more powerful, and yet they don't lead to such huge price increases. If your point 2 covered this then we'd all be paying like $2000 for every system these days. Like I said, for the few (like you) who are doing it, let's not just excuse Nintendo of what they are clearly doing - getting greedy and money grabbing instead of trying to gain customers. If you were right, there would have been no internet-wide outcry over the prices. If you were right, Nintendo wouldn't have been too afraid to even include the price in the Direct. I'm not using any selective memory, if there was an outcry over the price of the Switch I heard nothing about it. And even if there was, that is very different than the outcry over Switch 2 prices. The Switch was actually cheaper than the previous system (the WiiU being $300/$350, with Switch only at $300), so if there were people mad about the price I can't imagine why. I could see people being mad about the $80 joycons, but the system itself was well priced and affordable, and games were the normal price. Obviously none of that is true with the Switch 2. I'm not saying you personally should be worried about huge outcry from millions of people over Nintendo's next gen pricing strategy. I am saying Nintendo should be worried. They are guaranteeing significantly lower sales simply out of greed to try to get every last dollar from each individual consumer on every single purchase, rather than focusing on getting as many people to buy the Switch 2 as possible. Generally that is a bad business practice, especially for gaming where the companies make most of their money from selling games, not the systems. In fact it is the opposite strategy they went with for the Switch. And the immediate, lasting, and blanket outcry over the prices shows that Nintendo has really screwed up and are out of step with their consumers. If you're fine with these prices, hey that's great for you. But there are many millions of people who aren't and that is gonna show up in far fewer sales, all because Nintendo decided to get greedy on prices after the Switch's success. Put simply, it's just basic greed. The only times a company has increased the price of it's systems by 50% or more from one gen to the next are: Genesis to Saturn (yeah that didn't work out well as this led to the death of Sega as a hardware maker) GBA to DS (granted that worked out well, but the Game Boy line was so extremely inexpensive that the DS was still a cheap system at $150) DS to 3DS (a huge blunder that caused Nintendo to pretty quickly significantly drop the price due to lack of demand) PS2 to PS3 (a huge blunder that led to perhaps the most cringeworthy statement in gaming history of Sony telling people to get a second job to buy their system) And now Switch to Switch 2 (which we're already seeing how this is gonna go based on the universal outcry to Nintendo's new pricing strategy, breaking with decades of selling affordable systems) I'm stating one simple fact: Nintendo is being greedy and charging extra for everything simply because they think they can and people will still buy it due to how popular the Switch has been. This is a fact, and you are apparently arguing against this fact, using stuff like "inflation" and "power" which doesn't at all explain their prices because then you'd have to apply that to every system over the decades and that would lead to systems costing several times what they actually cost today. Hence, you're making excuses for Nintendo, which don't "take care of" the facts I'm pointing out. And I'm making one simple prediction: Based on the huge outcry, and how obviously anti-consumer and greedy Nintendo's Switch 2 pricing strategy is, the Switch 2, despite looking like an awesome system, is gonna be selling well below what it would have if Nintendo hadn't gone all greedy and overpriced on everything. We saw exactly this strategy and the results it had with the PS3 and the 3DS. This history tells us to expect Switch 2 to sell not much more than half of what the Switch sold. Nintendo I think is looking at a few tens of millions fewer sales than it would have had if they priced things reasonably, maybe a 30m drop, which means hundreds of millions of fewer games sold. And my main point: Reasonable prices would lead to more money being made for Nintendo. So they are creating a lot of ill-will towards themselves in a greedy money-grab attempt to grow the business, but the obvious effect I think will be that they will shrink their business. And in addition of course it just means fewer people will get to play Nintendo's great games. So it's a lose-lose-lose, they hurt their reputation, they hurt their business, and they hurt their fans. |
I suppose I'll need someone else to explain point 2 to you because I don't expect to make any progress here.
As for how things were in the days after the Switch 1 presentation in January 2017, I have this thread right here. You'll be shocked by how much of an issue price was and the resulting predictions. The sad thing is that in that thread I had linked about a dozen other relevant threads that beat down Switch for a myriad of reasons, but a security leak on VGC led to my posting history getting wiped.
Your prediction for Switch 2 lifetime sales is ~130 million. With a tie ratio of 10 games sold per console, the 30m drop in hardware sales would result in 300 million fewer games sold, and 130 million consoles sold would result in 1.3 billion games being sold.
1.3 billion games sold at $70 = $9.1 billion
1.6 billion games sold at $60 = $9.6 billion
Of course these numbers are merely for argument's sake, but the monetary damage to Nintendo will be rather limited if it plays out close to your prediction, because the drop in hardware and software sales isn't substantial enough to make a big difference. And the reputational damage will also be limited if they sell 130m consoles regardless of the prices. Your argument doesn't make much sense.
Nevermind that the release schedules of both the PS3 and 3DS were atrocious for an extended period of time whereas Switch 2's launch window has two legitimate killer apps.
Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.
