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Zkuq on 02 March 2025
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Runa216 said:
the-pi-guy said:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/norwegian-fuel-supplier-refuses-u-s-warships-over-ukraine/

"In a strongly worded statement, the company criticised a televised event involving U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, referring to it as the “biggest shitshow ever presented live on TV.” Haltbakk Bunkers praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for his restraint, accusing the U.S. of “putting on a backstabbing TV show” and declaring that the spectacle “made us sick.”"



Can really feel all that respect flowing into America.

My genuine question is like...what is the end goal here? Clearly trump's a fool and bad for the country but there's no way that he's doing all this without SOME sort of grand plan in place. like, is he actively TRYING to make the whole world hate the US more than it already did? Globally the US has been a laughingstock as long as I can remember (At least the 90s, I was born in the 80s), but what can possibly be gained from this? 

IT doesn't make the US look good. HE threatens tarrifs but he has to know how harmful that will be to the US economy. He has to know he can't ACTUALLY annex Greenland or make canada the 51st state. He HAS to know....there's no way he's doing all this either without knowing or without being puppeted by another.

But there's no outcome that looks good for the nation from any perspective. What is the ACTUAL Goal. IGnorance and selfishness SEEMS to be the explanation (And Trump himself is a fucking clown), but there's no way all the people propping him up (Like Elon) don't know better and are STILL supporting him and pushing him. So honestly, what is the plan here? What is the goal? What is the desired outcome and how do they plan on getting it? 

Trump probably thinks he has some really great ideas, and he's probably also thinking about his legacy too. There certainly seem to be isolationist tendencies, expanding US territory would be a way to leave a mark in history, and he probably wants to be remembered as a strong leader. I think he genuinely thinks that tariffs are going to help in the long run, because it sounds like he's been thinking that way for decades.

I guess the others are tolerating Trump because they consider him useful for their own purposes, and they're probably also wanting to strengthen their post-Trump position. Basically it seems to be about power and eventually legacy. Musk doesn't seem too concerned about money, I think he's been moving in the power territory for at least years now. Money is just the means.

Ryuu96 said:

Musk voiced his support on X (formerly Twitter) on Saturday night when he responded “I agree” to a post stating, “It’s time to leave NATO and the UN.” His endorsement aligns with growing calls from some Republican lawmakers, including Senator Mike Lee, to reconsider the US commitment to the alliance.

South African Immigrant Wants America to Leave NATO and UN.

Trump Admins only goal is to Make Russia Great Again and Make China Great Again though the last one isn't intentional, they're just dumb as shit and can't see how many wins they're handing China, the former is definitely intentional. When America has collapsed the Oligarchs (Muks, Thiel, etc.) in charge of America will pillage its corpse for cheap.

If America leaves NATO then I suppose there's no reason to have all those military bases in Europe, we can kick them all out and America's entire global soft power can vanish overnight. As if Asian allies will trust America after witnessing such a shitshow, they have even less secure security agreements than NATO, Lol. This will be one of the biggest self-owns in American history.

Smells like a good bunch of isolationism to me, so Trump and folks probably don't care all that much.