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the-pi-guy on 09 February 2025
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Tober said:

Significant death and disease? Really?? OK The USA does know a lot about causing death and disease all over the world LoL.

Well yeah, USAID funds programs preventing TB for example. 

It's a little harder to say what the future holds with the CDC and FDA.

Trump, Musk move to oust EPA staff in the Great Lakes region, including dozens responsible for protecting drinking water for 30 million in U.S. and Canada

Tober said:

If Trump claims something good, he lies. If he claims something you'd get mad about, he's telling the truth.

Confirmation bias is strong on this forum.

I feel like I want to make 3 very different responses here. 

- This isn't how any of this conversation works. I don't assume Trump is lying. We tell he's lying or not by the facts. No one has even been talking about any Trump claims in this conversation. So what are you even talking about?

- That's also fundamentally how lying works. You usually try to make yourself look better than you are, and if you're still coming up short, then the real truth must be pretty dire.  

- I haven't really seen Trump claim much of anything. Aside from genociding Palestine. 

A lot more focus has been on Musk. 

Tober said:

As a non American, I thought it would be good place to openly discuss US politics openly on this forum.  I should have known better.

Its one sided and funny enough not representative of the American vote.

Being disagreed with, is an important part of "open discussion". In fact, it's a pretty critical part of being able to openly discuss things - it's what happens when you have conversations outside of an echo chamber; you end up talking with people who have disagreements. 

Tober said:

I don't like Trump, but I am openminded to the things he does right. And I believe in this case auditing his departments is a good thing.

Oh, I'd be happy if I saw him do some things right. 

Musk finding cherry picked expenditures that he doesn't agree with, isn't an audit. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/elon-musk-boosted-false-usaid-conspiracy-theories-global-aid-rcna190646

>On Wednesday, Musk shared a faked video claiming USAID had sponsored celebrity visits to Ukraine. Darren Linvill, a co-director of Clemson University’s Media Forensics Hub, told NBC News the video was manufactured Russian propaganda. 

Especially when he's actually even lying about things to justify his actions.

Last edited by the-pi-guy - on 09 February 2025