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killer7 3 hours ago
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Doctor_MG said:
killer7 said:

But a refurbished/ repared or forever reason returned PS2 can hardly be a seperate shipped (sold in) unit, let alone count to "produced"? If so then this 160.6 million number of produced units has to be a lot lower in reality?! So if i send my PS2 lets say in 2016 (reparing stopped in 2018) Sony would really have called it "shipped"? If so then its absolutley clear where these "160 million sold" PS2s are from. And sorry this cannot be counted as "sold". If i worked at Mercedes and sold you a car, this car breaks and i repare it, would you say i "sold" you another one? If thats true than why the hell did they said "155 million as of 2012" and changed it to "160 million as of 2012"? So:

1.) Sony counts RESOLD (already once sold) PS2s!

2.) Sony counted Demo Stations wich where in fact NOT SOLD TO COSTUMERS but sent back to Sony!

3.) Sony changed their already confirmed Numbers.

Conclusio: Sony's 160.6 million or whatever fantasynumber they "confirmed" cannot be true in the sense of consoles shipped, let alone sold through. 

Of course this requires that what you said is really true!

I'm not saying they count as numbers produced. They count as sell-in (i.e. shipped). 

But if the produced number is actually true, and 160.6 was produced, and the over 160M number includes repaired/returned units, that leaves a large portion of the discrepancy of 600k units for demo stations, which was one persons point of contention here. 

Anyway, to target your points. I think there is some misunderstandings. 

Edit: 1) I don't think Sony is double dipping a bunch per-se. I think Sony considers that if they resold a product themselves that counts as another sale. Since Sony is not a big player in the used market, it wouldn't count for much. 

2) I'm saying demo stations count for produced but not for shipped. Broken demo units sent back to Sony, fixed, and then resold to a consumer would count as a sale to Sony. 

So:

1.) As PS2 Slim also had demostations and bigger stores had more than 1 of those, also exhibitions like E3, Pax... had them there should be a lot more than 600k.

2.) A RESOLD product (a product that already counted 1 time) can hardly be seen as a sale let alone produced or shipped unit.

3.) Broken consoles- demostations or costumers systems- cannot be counted deffinitly! 

So if this was really true this 160.6 million number should be A LOT lower! Shipped consoles to stores for costumers should be clearly below 160 million!