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killer7 17 hours ago
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Doctor_MG said:
killer7 said:

I don't think, refurbished PS2s are part of this 160 million units, but for sure the demo stations for shops wich get sent back to Sony after the product's life is over. And you have to see that not only the original PS2 got demostations, in fact theee where also quire a few  demostations for PS2 Slim. As someone working at a software store i can tell you, some of them break (the PS2 DVD drive is known for having issues and demostations do not magically last forever as well) and they have to be replaced by new ones. So if you ask me, "a few hundred thousand units" is quite low. I would give it a million or more...

Refurbished PS2's from Sony are part of the total sell-in number for their consoles. Sony says this on their own website for their shipment data. 

The most popular chains in the US have a few thousand locations country wide, and that's a country with a LOT of stores nationwide. Most other countries wouldn't have that many store locations. This is especially true when you consider growth. There are 4k Walmarts nationwide in the US today, and over 10k worldwide, but back when the PS2 came out Walmart had only 4k stores worldwide. Walmart is one of if not the biggest companies in the world based on revenue too, so all other game stores or other types of chains wouldn't have numbers like this. Even considering the biggest chain of stores in the world you can see that you don't need millions of units to provide demos or kiosks, and replaced/returned kiosk units would undoubtedly become refurbished products that count towards the sell in number. 

But a refurbished/ repared or for whatever reason returned PS2 can hardly be a seperate shipped (sold in) unit, let alone count to "produced"? If so then this 160.6 million number of produced units has to be a lot lower in reality?! So if i send my PS2 lets say in 2016 (reparing stopped in 2018) Sony would really have called it "shipped"? If so then its absolutley clear where these "160 million sold" PS2s are from. And sorry this cannot be counted as "sold". If i worked at Mercedes and sold you a car, this car breaks and i repare it, would you say i "sold" you another one? If thats true than why the hell did they said "155 million as of 2012" and changed it to "160 million as of 2012"? So:

1.) Sony counts RESOLD (already once sold) PS2s!

2.) Sony counted Demo Stations wich where in fact NOT SOLD TO COSTUMERS but sent back to Sony!

3.) Sony changed their already confirmed Numbers.

Conclusio: Sony's 160.6 million or whatever fantasynumber they "confirmed" cannot be true in the sense of consoles shipped, let alone sold through. 

Of course this requires that what you said is really true!

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