2024 US Presidential Election

[Chris Hu]

bdbdbd said:

Mnementh said:

And yet... working class peoples lives got worse during the Biden administration while rich people got richer.

And yet... if asked (which AOC did) many people say working class problems.

You and many of the more wealthy middle class are fine with what Biden/Harris did. Many people are not, they are angry and feels like the Democrats act like their worries don't matter. That is the result that can be seen. Now you can deny it or you can ask why. You seem to invest all your energy on denial.

I wasn't very active in the thread, because I had over the last elections mostly lost the belief that the Democrats can tackle real issues. In the last elections Sanders did run in the primaries and brought on a lot of these issues. The big loss this time may have been a chance that the Democrats wake up and listen to the poorer, less educated, working class people. But you and others here keep convincing me that the Democrats aren't willing to change, to not even see any reason to do so. I don't think they will do much better in the future given this. I also don't think this will work out in Austria either, have fun with the FPÖ.

The democrats in the US did move to the right over the years, allowing the Republicans to go even more extreme right. If the democrats are not willing to change course, I believe we need a new real left movement. And not only in the US, europe sees similar problems with many establishment parties moving away from left positions while at the same time this gives room to fascist movements: Le Pen, AfD, FPÖ, Orban, PiS. I believe the antidote is bringing back real leftist movements with strong social and economic left policies. But most parties are afraid to piss off major companies and rich people, and yes, that includes the Democrats in the US. But that will be needed in my opinion.

As a leftist it is frustrating to discuss online. Issues and problems of people are denied. And you get accused of supporting the right, as you tried in the last post. So yeah, use the loss as a chance to reform or don't do anything and blame the voters.

I think people are mostly ignoring the big picture. Democrats are the middle class party and, as you noted, have taken a step to the right, so they¨re pretty much your typical European right wing party. Because US does not have a left wing party in the federal elections that would be a working class or lower classes party, it turns out that Republicans are at least giving an opportunity for the poor who can't do much worse, that the Democrats don't. As the low wage industrial jobs have gone abroad, especially the regions with lots of Africans have suffered from globalism.

I guess you have no clue about the Republican's.  In the US the Republican's aren't for the working class or the poor and haven't been for them for a long time. They are anti-union, against worker's rights, against overtime pay, against a rise in the minimum wage, against a living wage, and they are for low wages, child labor, and exploiting the working class to make the rich richer.  The poor and working class have been screwed over by Republican's for over 40 years and counting.  It all started when Reagan implemented neoliberal policies during his first term.