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LurkerJ 2 days ago
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sundin13 said:
LurkerJ said:

Highly likely the story is accurate giving the source, the external polling numbers we had, and the fact that we were all aware of the highly unusual pressure he faced to step aside; other stories of similar importance were confirmed by Pelosi (Biden shutting any opportunity for an a primary process by endorsing Kamala).

Giving the number of votes that decided the swing states, it's not accurate to say the dems "were doomed". Doomed means no alternative reality would've changed the outcome, but the number of votes needed to change the outcome is actually small; stress testing the candidacy might have allowed someone else to run, what we know about Kamala's popularity in 2019 and her ability to energise voters is in line with the numbers we're seeing now.

It's not hard to see how another 2024 primary would've had given us similar warnings about who shouldn't and should run for president, and flipped the few votes that decided the swing states blue. 

First of all, Harris lost PA alone by 150k votes. 

As for hypotheticals, there isn't really any way to know how things would have been different if Biden initially chose not to rerun. My opinion though is that Harris ran a damn good campaign, benefitted from a lot of momentum and enthusiasm when Biden dropped out (which also kept Trump and his attacks off balance for a while), didn't have to go through a difficult primary and was able to run a campaign focused on the general election from the start. She also had ample funding a strong ground game. Given this, I don't see any other Democrat as having a lot of room for improvement, even if they got through the primary unscathed and ran a perfect campaign. 

IMO, saying that this election was close is cope. It was not close and imo it was not about the candidate or the campaign, it was about the party and the national environment. 

I'm sticking with my original opinion: Dems were doomed from the start. 

Thanks for the correction, apologies if my numbers are wildly off, I am travelling and jet lagged and using my phone for everything, not ideal. I'll have another look at the numbers when I am settled. 

Close or not, I still believe there was room for improvement over Harris, if we're saying policy doesn't matter and vibes are everything, then it's easy to see how other candidates might have had better chances, it's not the first time the candidate with excellent funding loses. People were ecstatic they finally have a candidate that could speak without turning into a daily meme, this is how badly the dems treat their base and take them for granted; "Biden is out, be thankful" is what we were dealt in the end. Despite knowing how weak she's in interviews, in previous primaries, and overall attraction as a politician, I was still excited with the news and fell into the hype of the blue bubble. 

I am not surprised that some find it difficult to imagine a better candidate, after all, the percentage of people who thought Biden dropping out would be a step too late was just as big after all. For me, it's easy to see how someone who's not attached Biden's hip could've called out inflation and the chaos at the border in a more believable manner, just like it was easy for me to see how anyone would fare better than Biden.

I can't help but note how easy it is for some of you to call everyone stupid but then turn around to exonerate the dems by implying things couldn't have been better, when frankly, the way Biden handled the whole thing in the most unbelievably stupid way possible, you couldn't make Biden's stupidity & arrogance up when it comes to what he's done here. He's stupider than the voters you're calling out, no doubt.