2024 US Presidential Election

[Chrkeller]

zorg1000 said:

the-pi-guy said:

I disagreed or would have disagreed on the basis that "Democrats abandoned these groups". I don't think that's true. 

But Democrats as a whole are horrible messengers on a good day. Although I personally think a lot of that comes down to Democrats having an inherently more complicated platform. For one obvious reason trying to appeal to more kinds of groups. 

Chrkeller mentioned Buttigieg, right? 

I was going to point out that Tammy Baldwin won in Wisconsin despite being openly gay and a woman, and did better than Harris did. 

I don't know if Buttigieg would have made a difference, but I think he's a very good messenger. 

Yeah, my biggest argument was that they do in fact support the working class, things like the IIJA/CHIPS/IRA are in many ways blue collar (construction, transportation & manufacturing) jobs programs. One issue is that these are long term investments and the results aren’t felt immediately so Biden/Harris weren’t rewarded for them.

And yes, Democrats have a much harder platform since they try to accommodate as many demographics as possible, go too far in appealing to one group and you risk alienating another. This isn’t nearly as big an issue for Republicans because they are far more homogenous.

And I think that ties into Chrkeller’s point. Democrats should focus their messaging on things that benefit everybody like investing in infrastructure, healthcare, education, housing & child/elder care. These creates jobs and bring down the cost of living for things that everybody needs regardless of their age, race, religion, sex or gender.

Agreed.  Simplify the message, focus only on things everyone benefits from and repeat the message over and over.  

I had a mentor teach me how to present to get someone to buy into my idea.  He had a 3 point presentation view:

1) tell them what you are going tell them 

2) tell them

3) tell them what you told them

Complexity kills liberals because they don't repeat messages.  How many times did trump repeat his message on things like border?  

I further agree they go too far in appealing to specific sub groups, which simply pisses another group off.  

It is all too much.  Focus will win them them the next election.

Edit

Only concern I have is NY and Cali were closer than FL.  Sounds crazy but true, granted votes are still being counted.  Meaning I don't think liberals can wait till next election cycle to rebuild their messenging.  They need to start sooner than later.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 08 November 2024