2024 US Presidential Election

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the-pi-guy said:

I disagreed or would have disagreed on the basis that "Democrats abandoned these groups". I don't think that's true. 

But Democrats as a whole are horrible messengers on a good day. Although I personally think a lot of that comes down to Democrats having an inherently more complicated platform. For one obvious reason trying to appeal to more kinds of groups. 

Chrkeller mentioned Buttigieg, right? 

I was going to point out that Tammy Baldwin won in Wisconsin despite being openly gay and a woman, and did better than Harris did. 

I don't know if Buttigieg would have made a difference, but I think he's a very good messenger. 

Yeah, my biggest argument was that they do in fact support the working class, things like the IIJA/CHIPS/IRA are in many ways blue collar (construction, transportation & manufacturing) jobs programs. One issue is that these are long term investments and the results aren’t felt immediately so Biden/Harris weren’t rewarded for them.

And yes, Democrats have a much harder platform since they try to accommodate as many demographics as possible, go too far in appealing to one group and you risk alienating another. This isn’t nearly as big an issue for Republicans because they are far more homogenous.

And I think that ties into Chrkeller’s point. Democrats should focus their messaging on things that benefit everybody like investing in infrastructure, healthcare, education, housing & child/elder care. These creates jobs and bring down the cost of living for things that everybody needs regardless of their age, race, religion, sex or gender.