Otter said:
JRPGfan said:
Your right that those issues are bigger than the social politics.
However, my thing is, I believe the social politics to play into all those issues.
You can't separate them, because of how they are implemented.
That's why we talk about it.
Also have you noticed how many games that have these DEI issues, are poor games in general?
Is that because the game is bad, and thus, we blame the DEI?
Is it because it has this DEI focus, that the game then turned out bad?
Is it just bad luck? that seemingly so many DEI focused games turn out bad?
Is it the people hired that want DEI in the games?
Is it the consultant firms? like sweetbaby inc?
Whatever it is, there appears to be a connection.
Its one of the reason for the backlash to it.
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I think the connection is 100% internal bias. Lets look at Sweetbaby inc and recent AAA consultancy efforts
Marvels Spiderman 2
God of War Ragnarok
Alan Wake II
The Suicide Squad
Gotham Knights
The Crew Motofest
Of those games Suicide Squad and Gotham Knights are the obvious flops but their lack of quality obviously has nothing to do with DEI to anyone who is actually going to think about it critically. The other games we're just going to ignore because they're successful right?
It's clear that people are first seeing something they dislike "references to pronouns" "Ethnic Minority leads" and then backwards engineer a game flopping to be tied to that thing they dislike. Games flop all the time, series dissapoint constantly, studios fall short. We didn't need DEI narratives to look at the decline of Square Enix, Bethesda, Rare (although coming back to form).
When Concord flops its a DEI problem, when Immortals of Aveum flops it's just a quality problem. People are just being selective.
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Conversely we don't know if the games would have been even better, if Sweetbaby inc didn't mess with them.
I think Sweetbaby inc, probably consulted / wrote for like 70 other games.
If you wanted to prove your point, you should look at them all.
See how many of them turn out good atleast, compaired to bad, or flopped.
Vs how common it is for games (without consultant firms).
Maybe your also falling into " internal bias" when you say, your take, without backing it up.
I havn't looked either, so like you, this is just my "gut" feeling.
More often than not, I think this DEI stuff hurts games.
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